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Old 03-08-2008, 08:21 PM
 
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But that is what we have today. That is what we have to live with. Speak out against it and you are labeled protectionist.
Ok, yes, we have some sort of bastardized, diluted, distorted version of the free market. I can't argue that. But don't say that the free market is not the solution and then point to current circumstances as proof.
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Old 03-08-2008, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I ain't no expert on this subject by any stretch but, seems to me there is already an experienced, reliable platform already in use - KC135

Why couldn't this aircraft - one of the most reliable in history (707) be updated, modern avionics etc and be put back into production?

After all, the 135 is being used TODAY, regularly and reliably

Why go to an untested platform?
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Old 03-08-2008, 08:46 PM
 
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How many people drive Honda, Toyota and Nissan? Did they think about American workers when they did not buy a car made by an American company?
There's a Toyota factory not far from Tampa, where I live. Hyundai's are being made in Alabama and Honda is opening a factory near my home town, my mother has applied for a job there.

Besides, buying cars made by foreign companies who make them better is nothing like outsourcing NATIONAL DEFENSE contracts.
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Old 03-08-2008, 08:48 PM
 
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I ain't no expert on this subject by any stretch but, seems to me there is already an experienced, reliable platform already in use - KC135

Why couldn't this aircraft - one of the most reliable in history (707) be updated, modern avionics etc and be put back into production?

After all, the 135 is being used TODAY, regularly and reliably

Why go to an untested platform?
I agree, stick to what works. The Osprey has sure been tested, and failed. But they insist on using it.
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Old 03-08-2008, 08:50 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I ain't no expert on this subject by any stretch but, seems to me there is already an experienced, reliable platform already in use - KC135

Why couldn't this aircraft - one of the most reliable in history (707) be updated, modern avionics etc and be put back into production?

After all, the 135 is being used TODAY, regularly and reliably

Why go to an untested platform?


Aren't they also using a military version of the DC-10 as tankers these days?

As far as replacing the fleet perhaps tankers so often carrying max loads makes fatigue a factor and they have a finite service life?
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Old 03-08-2008, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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As far as replacing the fleet perhaps tankers so often carrying max loads makes fatigue a factor and they have a finite service life?
I agree with the above. The only thing I would mention though is, the 707 (KC135) has been in use for a very, very, very long time - it's useful life has been tremendous (as has the DC10 platform).

I would, if I were in charge, use a proven platform -
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:04 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I agree with the above. The only thing I would mention though is, the 707 (KC135) has been in use for a very, very, very long time - it's useful life has been tremendous (as has the DC10 platform).

I would, if I were in charge, use a proven platform -

And speaking of service life we should hope every aircraft in the inventory has the life of the B-52, what an airplane.


I only caught the tail end of the news segment about the tanker issue but I believe one of the reasons given was increased fuel capacity of the AirBus. KC-135 has had a long service life, I'm guessing they reach a point where maintenance plus updating avionics, engines, etc. becomes more costly than replacement. From what I've heard the F-14 required about 75 maintenance hours per flight hour while its replacement FA-18 cut that down to 50. Maybe similar benefit with newer tanker conversions?

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Old 03-09-2008, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Mobile, Alabama
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I am saying all these people fussing over a product from another country are probably the same ones that do not and never have bought American.

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So would pay say $10000 extra dollars for the same car made by gm? Assume everything is the same except the american is $10000 more. Building cars is an international investment, even american companies are using parts from other countries are the suppliers get a lot of there supplies from all kinds of countries. American cars are assembled in america but the parts are from all over the world.
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Old 03-09-2008, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Mobile, Alabama
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Hey, I am all for the contract and EADS. You say foreign companies that make them better, talking about cars. How do you know EADS does not make them better than Boeing? Northrop Grumman is going to be handeling the "defense" part.

Those that are fussing about EADS getting the contract and sending jobs into other countries is my point. Or should I ask if you even read the link I posted already?

I know there are auto's being made in Alabama by companies from other countrys. There has been for a while now, namely Mercedes.

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There's a Toyota factory not far from Tampa, where I live. Hyundai's are being made in Alabama and Honda is opening a factory near my home town, my mother has applied for a job there.

Besides, buying cars made by foreign companies who make them better is nothing like outsourcing NATIONAL DEFENSE contracts.
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Old 03-09-2008, 07:39 AM
 
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I am saying all these people fussing over a product from another country are probably the same ones that do not and never have bought American.
Of course that's what you're saying, and based on nothing but your desire to find a reason to disregard their arguments.
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