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I am sure there are some risks but overall vaccination has been very helpful to the human race.
The elimination of polio alone has proven to be quite impressive, and welcome.
Vaccines are not recommended when the risk of exposure is very low. For instance very few US residents would be recommended to receive the TB vaccine, but in other countries that could be a serious threat.
I am not sure why so many younger people are against vaccination these days. Perhaps it is because they are unaware of the TB wards and the crippled polio victims we used to see. I think the critiques of the precaution have been overblown considerably in the internet age.
I think part of it is with the emergence of homeopathic remedies and treatments along with allergens. For the longest time, the flu vaccine contained egg so people like me would need an alternative due to site allergic reactions to the vaccine.
The other relates directly to the flu but not exclusive. Many times with the vaccine we see people still get sick due to variations in the exact strain of flu vaccinated against and the t you come down with.
You can't identify the changes to the cervical cells and treat those changes without a pap smear. Routine pap smears are a huge way to prevent cervical cancer. Obviously if you have an abnormal pap then you should follow it up with treatment while the cells are still in the precancerous stage so that they don't progress to cervical cancer. Without paps, there would be no way to detect those changes and no way to treat them. Thus the reason why health authorities say that routine pap smears prevent cervical cancer.
This is from the CDC. As you can see they talk about the pap as a prevention tool, because that is what it is.
Of course they also recommend the HPV vaccine but note:
again you are not getting it... do you have a language disability??(1-5 americans has some level/form of dyslexia )
the SCREENING ie INSPECTION ie IDENTIFYING will help to prevent the cancer getting out of hand,ie early dection.... it doesn't prevent the cancer...
Human papillomavirus (HPV) is usually passed from person to person during direct skin-to-skin contact. HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection in the United States. There are more than 150 different types of HPV. Most men and women have no symptoms or health problems to indicate when they have HPV. Sometimes, certain HPV types can cause warts on various parts of the body. Other HPV types can cause cancer or precancerous lesions, which are abnormal growths that can turn into cancer
Most types of HPV can cause “common” warts. These warts grow on places such as the hands and feet. However, more than 40 of the viruses are called “genital type” HPVs. These viruses are spread from person to person when their genitals come into contact. This commonly occurs during vaginal, anal, and oral sex.
Genital HPV types can infect a woman’s genital area, including inside and outside the vagina. They can affect a man’s genital area, including the penis. In men and women, genital HPV can infect the anus or some areas of the head and neck. Sometimes “low-risk” types of genital HPVs can cause genital warts or genital lesions. These are most commonly HPV-6 or HPV-11. The growths vary in size, shape, and number, but they rarely lead to cancer.
Cervical cancer. HPV infection causes nearly all cervical cancers. Of the cervical cancers related to HPV, about 70% are caused by 2 strains: HPV-16 or HPV-18. Smoking may increase the risk of cervical cancer for women who have HPV. Although almost all cervical cancers are caused by HPV, it is important to remember that most genital HPV infections will not cause cancer.
•Oral cancer. HPV can cause cancer of the mouth and tongue. It can also cause cancer of the oropharynx. This is the middle part of the throat, from the tonsils to the tip of the voice box. These HPV-related cancers are increasing in men and women. Changes in sexual behavior, including an increase in oral sex, may be contributing to the increase.
•Other cancers. HPV is associated with less common cancers, including anal cancer, vulvar and vaginal cancers in women, and penile cancer in men.
The goal of vaccination is to prevent a lasting HPV infection after a person is exposed to the virus. Gardasil 9 helps prevent infection from HPV-16 and HPV-18 and 5 additional types of HPV linked with cancer. The vaccine also protects people from the 2 low-risk HPVs known to cause 90% of genital warts. Gardasil 9 is approved for the prevention of cervical, vaginal, and vulvar cancers in girls and women ages 9 to 26. It is also approved to prevent anal cancer in women and men and genital warts in men and boys in the same age range.
Data shows HPV vaccinations are safe and highly effective in preventing a lasting infection of the types they target. HPV vaccination has been shown to reduce precancerous lesions. And, recent research suggests that reducing precancerous lesions likely results in fewer cancers
Other prevention strategies
An HPV test is a way to diagnose and prevent terminal cervical cancer by catching it early in women 30 and older. During this test, the doctor or other health professional takes a sample of cells from the woman’s cervix. This sample is tested for the strains of HPV most commonly linked to cervical cancer. HPV testing may be done by itself or combined with a Pap test. This test involves gathering a sample of cells from the cervix to look for abnormal changes in the cells. Often the same sample can be used for both tests. HPV testing may also be done on a sample of cells from a woman’s vagina that she can collect herself.
Sorry workingclasshero. I'm clear on how a pap works and the role it serves in cervical cancer prevention. In addition to your question to me, you should probably take the time to write to the CDC and ask them if they have language disability or dyslexia since they used the same exact language as I did.
When was your last pap by the way? Are you up to date on your HPV vaccines? If not are you in fear that you might get a type of cancer associated with HPV?
I didn't know we were allowed to copy and paste entire pages from websites and post them here.
It's important to keep in mind the fact that less then 10% of all HPV don't clear the body on their own. Of that 10%, some are the type that can lead to cervical cancer. The vast majority of those who die from cervical cancer had either NEVER had a pap or had not had one in the last five years. What would that number be for people who do get regular paps? That would be an interesting number to know.
It's also important to recognize the fact that out of those who smoke dramatically increase their risk. "Current and former smokers have approximately two to three times the incidence of high-grade cervical intraepithelial neoplasia or invasive cancer." That's huge. People need to be informed about their risk as well as ways to prevent cervical cancer but there is a lot more to it then just the vaccine which people can choose to get or not to get in their plan for prevention. Not everyone's risk is the same. Some are at much higher risk and some are at much lower risk.
Knowledge is power and with that knowledge people can choose the best prevention plan for themselves.
Cervical cancer is not the only HPV associated cancer. There is no equivalent of the Pap for those others.
There is no way to predict who will clear HPV and who will not.
For those who get cervical cancer and do not die from it, the treatment can involve surgery and radiation, with risk of long term issues such as sterility. That treatment is expensive and extremely stressful.
Pap smears do have false negatives. They are less likely to pick up cancers growing in the glands deep inside the cervix.
There is no way to know who is at "higher" or "lower" risk.
Knowledge is power, but it presumes making decisions based on good data. HPV vaccine refusers are ignoring the scientific data.
Prevention is always better than treatment.
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The facts are always relevant.
Regarding other HPV associated cancers (copied and pasted from one of my posts in another thread from the past)
But the risk is not even close to equal for those who have a cervix and an HPV infection that the body could not clear. The risk is two to three times higher in smokers. It's a lot higher in women who are currently taking a certain kind of oral contraceptives. It is much higher in those who do not get regular paps. I see no purpose in pretending that all women are at the same risk for cervical cancer because they are obviously not.
Not all penile cancer is HPV associated, but half of it is.
If you do not get HPV, then whether you smoke or use birth contol pills or not you will probably not get cervical cancer. Smoking and oral contraceptives are risk factors if you have HPV.
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In cervical cancer, yes, one has to have HPV to get cervical cancer but in other cancers such as oral, penile, etc. HPV is not always a factor and in some cases, it's unknown if it is even a factor at all. I just showed you in my last post.
You have a choice to reduce your risk by not smoking, educating yourself on birth control options that won't increase your risk and getting regular paps. Those are huge things one can choose to do to dramatically reduce one's risk.
Well, the risk is extremely low for non-smokers who are not on a type of birth control that increases their risk, who do not have HIV and who get regular paps. If people want to get an HPV vaccine too, they most certainly can. But let's not overinflate the risk or pretend that it's the same for everyone by ignoring the other very real risk factors involved in cervical cancer just so that we can scare people into getting a vaccine.
Your cognitive dissonance concerning non-cervical HPV associated cancer is amazing. You are so fixated on Pap smears that you are going to extreme lengths to discount those cancers, because Pap smears cannot help diagnose them. Whether you want to admit it or not, HPV does cause cancers in sites other than the female cervix.
Pap smears do not prevent cervical cancer, as several posters have pointed out. They just allow early diagnosis and treatment. That means tests that are unpleasant, treatments that can have long term effects, such as on fertility and an increased risk of preterm labor, stress, and expense.
Other factors increase the risk for some individuals, but the cause of cervical cancer is HPV ninety percent of the time. If you do not get HPV, smoking and birth control pills become irrelevant as risk factors.
Providing facts on HPV and the benefits of HPV vaccine is not done with the intent to "scare" people into giving it.
On the other hand, internet "stories" about perceived harms from HPV - which have not been documented in large HPV vaccine studies - are intended to scare people away from the vaccine.
The vaccine is highly effective and very safe. There is no reason to be "scared" of using it.
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Honestly, I have given you so much information from so many reputable sources (NIH, CDC, Cancer Society, etc.) both in this thread and in the thread you linked plus additional studies on the matter regarding smoking, oral contraceptives, pap smears. You are either willfully ignoring the information or you do not understand the information. I don't know which. I'm done trying. Believe whatever you want, even if it's not true.
Regarding #3. Cervical cancer was high in the 1940's because that was prior to the introduction and widespread use of the pap smear. The widespread use of the pap smear is the sole reason why cervical cancer rates dropped so dramatically. Pap smears prevent cervical cancer. Pap smears are the reason why the rate of cervical cancer dropped so dramatically. That doesn't mean that smoking and the long term use of certain oral contraceptives do not impact cervical cancer, it just means that cervical cancer rates were higher prior to the widespread use of the pap smear? If you don't understand this then I have no idea how to get through to you so I will give up and you can believe whatever you want about cervical cancer.
What the Pap smear did was allow earlier diagnosis and treatment of a cancer that takes a very long time to spread. That saved lives.
The Pap smear did not prevent those cancers from starting, because it did not prevent infection with HPV. The vaccine does prevent infection with HPV and has already been shown to prevent the changes in the cervix that mean cancer is in its earliest stages. The vaccine prevents cancer. It appears you are scared of the HPV vaccine for some reason and are trying to provide a reason other than that fear not to use it.
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Regarding CDC's statistics that almost 50% of adults 19-59 have HPV, just WHO are they trying to push vaccination to? Parents to get their kids vaccinated? Does this mean parents, who given the statistics, HAVE HPV themselves? Why aren't they terrified already for themselves? If in majority of cases, it clears up on it's own, why would parents be concerned if they themselves were in that situation?
Young adults without kids who are 19-26 to get their own shots? More of the CCD's crying Wolf, again. It's an HPV EPIDEMIC! You need better marketing, CDC, than this.
It does not always clear up.
The goal is to vaccinate children before they have any opportunity to become infected with HPV. It does not treat HPV, it prevents it. Past puberty the risk of exposure before being vaccinated increases. Young adults can still be vaccinated but the effectiveness of the vaccine is less. No one is "crying Wolf", and HPV infections are very common. Those are just the facts.
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It's always the same people arguing over vaccines. Don't you guys get bored?
LOL! No! Exposing misinformation about vaccines is fun.
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They want for girls ages 11 and 12 to get it. They also want girls up to the age of 26 to get it. I've noticed commercials on TV trying to play on parental guilt in an effort to get more parents on board with the HPV vaccine. This is one vaccine that even the most pro-vaccine parents tend to question.
Most adult women are not terrified of HPV or cervical cancer because they know that most HPV clears on it's own and that routine pap smears (obviously if it's abnormal one would get follow up treatment, duh!) will prevent cervical cancer. This is a hard one to scare parents into getting (chicken pox was another hard one especially for parents who remembered having it) but they are trying and they will keep trying until everyone is on board.
Care to give an example of a commercial that is "trying to play on parental guilt"?
Pap smears do not prevent cervical cancer, they just enable early diagnosis and treatment.
Your use of words like "terrified" and "scare" tells us you are more "terrified" and "scared" of the vaccines than the diseases. That is not a position that is based on sound evidence.
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You can't identify the changes to the cervical cells and treat those changes without a pap smear. Routine pap smears are a huge way to prevent cervical cancer. Obviously if you have an abnormal pap then you should follow it up with treatment while the cells are still in the precancerous stage so that they don't progress to cervical cancer. Without paps, there would be no way to detect those changes and no way to treat them. Thus the reason why health authorities say that routine pap smears prevent cervical cancer.
This is from the CDC. As you can see they talk about the pap as a prevention tool, because that is what it is.
Of course they also recommend the HPV vaccine but note:
Yes you can identify abnormal changes in the cervix without a Pap smear. You can just skip to testing for high risk HPV for some women and then do the same procedure (colposcopy) that is done for an abnormal Pap smear.
Since the HPV tests do not pick up all cancer causing strains the current approach is to use both the HPV test and the Pap.
"Yet, cervical cancer is 'an imminently preventable disease,' said Dr Behrens, an independent consultant for research trials such as ATHENA. 'Prevention starts with the vaccine and moves on to screening as women get older, and if we have a significant uptake of the vaccine, the next generation will require much less screening.'”
Pap smears do not prevent the cancer from starting, they just pick it up in the early stages when it can be more easily treated. Pap smears do not prevent HPV infection, and it is HPV that causes virtually all cervical cancer, as well as those other cancers you want us to believe are not important.
Suzy, no one is saying that you can't get your HPV vaccine. I showed that the risk of HPV associated cancers including cervical cancer was low for most people and why. People can choose for themselves how they want to take care of their bodies. If you are worried about HPV associated cancers whether you are high risk or low risk and feel that the vaccine is the best option for yourself or your family members, please get it. No one is trying to take your choice away. Meanwhile, allow others to choose for themselves. Legislators with he backing from people like you are trying to take people's ability to choose away. Slowly but surely. State by state.
Suzy, no one is saying that you can't get your HPV vaccine. I showed that the risk of HPV associated cancers including cervical cancer was low for most people and why. People can choose for themselves how they want to take care of their bodies. If you are worried about HPV associated cancers whether you are high risk or low risk and feel that the vaccine is the best option for yourself or your family members, please get it. No one is trying to take your choice away. Meanwhile, allow others to choose for themselves. Legislators with he backing from people like you are trying to take people's ability to choose away. Slowly but surely. State by state.
No one will force you to give your children HPV vaccine. Let's just hope that when they are older they do not wish you had chosen to give it to them.
They want for girls ages 11 and 12 to get it. They also want girls up to the age of 26 to get it. I've noticed commercials on TV trying to play on parental guilt in an effort to get more parents on board with the HPV vaccine. This is one vaccine that even the most pro-vaccine parents tend to question.
Most adult women are not terrified of HPV or cervical cancer because they know that most HPV clears on it's own and that routine pap smears (obviously if it's abnormal one would get follow up treatment, duh!) will prevent cervical cancer. This is a hard one to scare parents into getting (chicken pox was another hard one especially for parents who remembered having it) but they are trying and they will keep trying until everyone is on board.
Girls (and boys) 11-12 get better immunity from the vaccine than older teens. Plus, if you start before age 15 you only need two doses now, a great point! One thing teens hate is injections. Having worked in an office that gave this vaccine, I disagree with the dark red statement. Interestingly (and this ties into my other bold) when the vaccine first came out and was just recommended for girls to prevent cervical cancer, most moms at our practice were all for it. Then the anti-vax people and the "chastity" people got together and started up all their negative publicity about it, and people weren't as enthusiastic about it for a while. However, that started waning after a bit. BTW, did you know that hypocrite Katie Couric got the vaccine for her kids, even as she publicized its supposed dangers for everyone else's kids?
Most adult women that I am acquainted with, including many who are well-educated, have only a very hazy idea about HPV, cervical cancer, etc. I'm not sure exactly when it was established that almost all cervical cancer is caused by HPV, but in the scheme of things, it wasn't that long ago. Most of us were well trained to go to the doc every year for that pap, as the role of HPV in cervical cancer wasn't known. Some women may think paps prevent cervical cancer, but that is untrue. No matter how many times you say it; it's still untrue.
Chickenpox vaccine is another one that yes, some did question when it first came out, back in 1995. Sadly, a child death at Denver Children's Hospital (now Colorado Children's Hospital) from chickenpox, got most docs in this area on board quickly. I can tell you from long experience that few parents question chickenpox vaccine, and haven't for the past 15 years or so.
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Suzy, no one is saying that you can't get your HPV vaccine. I showed that the risk of HPV associated cancers including cervical cancer was low for most people and why. People can choose for themselves how they want to take care of their bodies. If you are worried about HPV associated cancers whether you are high risk or low risk and feel that the vaccine is the best option for yourself or your family members, please get it. No one is trying to take your choice away. Meanwhile, allow others to choose for themselves. Legislators with he backing from people like you are trying to take people's ability to choose away. Slowly but surely. State by state.
No, you did not show that.
This is not a grand conspiracy.
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Look what popped up on my Facebook feed. Why, a quarantine! You know, those things the US doesn't do?https://patch.com/california/lagunab...ch-high-school
"Seven students at LBHS were excluded from attending school until April 18 following contact with a measles-infected student, OC Health said."
Look what popped up on my Facebook feed. Why, a quarantine! You know, those things the US doesn't do?https://patch.com/california/lagunab...ch-high-school
"Seven students at LBHS were excluded from attending school until April 18 following contact with a measles-infected student, OC Health said."
The high school has 1140 students and only eight kids had exemptions. That's a pretty low percentage and makes me wonder if they are medical exemptions, considering California's repeal of religious and personal exemptions. If so, there are probably some very concerned parents right now.
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