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Old 04-01-2017, 08:29 PM
 
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Define "improper."

Is it improper to offer Putin more flexibility after the election so he doesn't make any big waves before the election?
Not if you are the actual sitting president, no.

Trying to turn that into improper is nonsense.

But theres a counterpoint, and thats that Turning phone calls to discuss meeting, and getting to know each other is ALSO not improper.

Improper is doing things like "making comments that show you know podestos emails are about to be leaked, right before the Russians do so". Because that involves foreknowledge of a crime.

Improper is working with Nunes to derail a investigation-by discussing classified documents contents.

Things like that.
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:38 PM
 
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Not if you are the actual sitting president, no.

Trying to turn that into improper is nonsense.

But theres a counterpoint, and thats that Turning phone calls to discuss meeting, and getting to know each other is ALSO not improper.

Improper is doing things like "making comments that show you know podestos emails are about to be leaked, right before the Russians do so". Because that involves foreknowledge of a crime.

Improper is working with Nunes to derail a investigation-by discussing classified documents contents.

Things like that.
Why wouldn't that be improper? That is influencing an election with a quid pro quo.

"Hey Putin, I'll let you run more amok with a longer leash if you wait until after the election! Let me hammer Mitt "Cold War" Romney more for suggesting you are a geopolitical adversary"

Obama deceived the American people and gave Russia a longer leash - and we now complain about his aggressive actions post 2012 election.

Right...

Is it proper that Hillary helped Russia secure Uranium and now there are more reports that her foundation got more money from Russians and her husband got paid $500,000 by a Putin backed company for a short speech?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...m-company.html

If Russia was playing - they were almost certainly playing both sides. They wouldn't put all of their chips on the side heavily predicted to lose.
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:39 PM
 
Location: United States
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So predictable. What will happen is that they will not find anything that links Trump to the DNC hacking, but Comey will be pressured by Democrats in the FBI to come out with a vague statement that doesn't completely absolve Trump and leaves a dark cloud over him, to give the Democrats some ammo in next midterms and presidential election. Because if he says "We don't have anything, case closed," he gets tons of flack from the Democrats, NYT, WaPo, etc. These intelligence agencies are becoming like a 4th branch of government.
There is no question that they will drag this out for as long as they can.

The Russian conspircy theory started 8 months ago, and so far not a single shred of evidence has been presented.

Everybody knows I don't like Hillary, but let's be honest, the Benghazi hearings were a dog, and pony show, this Russian conspircy theory is more of the same.
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:58 PM
 
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The Russian conspircy theory started 8 months ago, and so far not a single shred of evidence has been presented.
Of course there's no evidence -- criminal investigations never reveal the evidence they have before the trial. Some of the evidence against Trump may not be revealed for decades if it's classified.

The press and the public can only speculate what evidence exists behind the secure walls of the FBI. I give a better than a 50-50 chance that Trump is guilty of 1) collusion with the Russians to release stolen DNC data during the election and 2) illegal acceptance of foreign campaign contributions. Arrows that point towards this include Comey's statement that the investigation includes a criminal component; the involvement of the Treasury's financial crimes unit; evidence of Manafort's money laundering from Cyprus and Belize; Nunes' bizarre behavior; and more that I won't list here.

Michael Steele, former RNC chair, said today that Trump will not finish his term in office.
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Old 04-01-2017, 09:04 PM
 
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Of course there's no evidence -- criminal investigations never reveal the evidence they have before the trial. Some of the evidence against Trump may not be revealed for decades if it's classified.

The press and the public can only speculate what evidence exists behind the secure walls of the FBI. I give a better than a 50-50 chance that Trump is guilty of 1) collusion with the Russians to release stolen DNC data during the election and 2) illegal acceptance of foreign campaign contributions. Arrows that point towards this include Comey's statement that the investigation includes a criminal component; the involvement of the Treasury's financial crimes unit; evidence of Manafort's money laundering from Cyprus and Belize; Nunes' bizarre behavior; and more that I won't list here.

Michael Steele, former RNC chair, said today that Trump will not finish his term in office.
Yeah I heard that one. bought more shares of "Trump won't be president at the end of 2017" at $.25 each. A 75% return on investment. But only if I win. And I don't think there is a 50% chance of Trump himself being guilty. In fact I suspect its closer to 30% for him. And 50% for his Aides. And 30% oddly enough is the same odds Nate Silver gave him of winning the presidency. But I think there is a 50% chance he wont be in office in 9 months.

I'm not really sure WHAT to think of his behavior. A lot of people want to assign a lot of different ideas on the cause. I know I don't like it, but I have no idea if its calculated, or not.
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Old 04-01-2017, 09:21 PM
 
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Of course there's no evidence -- criminal investigations never reveal the evidence they have before the trial. Some of the evidence against Trump may not be revealed for decades if it's classified.

The press and the public can only speculate what evidence exists behind the secure walls of the FBI. I give a better than a 50-50 chance that Trump is guilty of 1) collusion with the Russians to release stolen DNC data during the election and 2) illegal acceptance of foreign campaign contributions. Arrows that point towards this include Comey's statement that the investigation includes a criminal component; the involvement of the Treasury's financial crimes unit; evidence of Manafort's money laundering from Cyprus and Belize; Nunes' bizarre behavior; and more that I won't list here.

Michael Steele, former RNC chair, said today that Trump will not finish his term in office.
I'll give you dems credit, you never give up hope, no matter how long this drags out without any evidence to back it up.



Spoiler
When this is all over, you dems are going to end up very disappointed.
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Old 04-01-2017, 09:30 PM
 
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I'll give you dems credit, you never give up hope, no matter how long this drags out without any evidence to back it up.



Spoiler
When this is all over, you dems are going to end up very disappointed.
I give you credit, that was a masterful use of the spoiler tag

We are having too many statements from Comey, and others directly that say otherwise. Not enough to move forward, but absolutely enough to merit investigation.

And the actions by the Trump Administration are simply bizarre. There may be something. The question is...is it something stupid, or something real?
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Old 04-01-2017, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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And should it turn out otherwise? Will you acknowledge you supported a traitor?

Haha, yeah, right ! They would support their leader regardless of if we had compromising pictures of him and a goat. When he did the con job on them, they were ripe for the picking and now can not admit any of his many failures are real.

The day they remove Trump from that office you will see them complaining it was a setup.
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:21 PM
 
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The Russian conspircy theory started 8 months ago, and so far not a single shred of evidence has been presented.
The most they've come up with is "We think Russia tried to influence our election by trolling through the internet." That's right, our tax dollars are being spent on trying to figure out the identity of internet trolls.
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:31 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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The most they've come up with is "We think Russia tried to influence our election by trolling through the internet." That's right, our tax dollars are being spent on trying to figure out the identity of internet trolls.
Do you really think that is what they meant? They just googled US election and that was basically the cause of the hack?

Wake up!
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