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Old 04-05-2017, 09:48 AM
 
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I have seen and heard American leftists make the argument that muslims who come to America assimilate better than those who go to other countries. Some of them really do think "it's different here".
It was different here. We *were* better. Unfortunately, not so much anymore.

 
Old 04-05-2017, 09:49 AM
 
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Or you could, you know, just grow up and stop believing that a belief system started and spread by a 7th century illiterate goat herder turned war-lord with a magic flying horse is something that *actually* needs to be respected or taken seriously?


Dumbass indeed!
All Islam means is submission to God. That religion was started by Adam (as), not Muhammad (saw).

Education is key here, when you don't even understand basic fundamental nuances of a topic, it's best to shut up and not talk about them.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 09:56 AM
 
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Face it, your religion produces terrible outcomes for societies.
Again, education is key here. The greatest empires and nations of the middle ages through the 19th century were Islamic Caliphates...when they actually followed Islamic rules and dogma in Governments.

What you see today exhibits what happens with fiefdoms, dictators, anarchy and the aftermath of colonialism.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 10:53 AM
 
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How are they any different than a good many Christians, though? I know so many Christians that think if you're not Christian you're wrong and if they can figure out how to minister to you and get you to join them, they will.

I do not think that this is a characteristic unique to Muslims and people are always free to say "no, thanks."

Which is what I do to all religious people, because I'm agnostic. I even dated a Muslim and he knew I was never going to convert. He wanted to marry me anyway, but I broke up with him for non-religious reasons.

Eh. I think people freak out too much over this stuff. Nobody's forcing anyone to become a Muslim or a Christian. Nobody makes people join cults of any kind. If you want to avoid such things, work on educating your mind and you can avoid the traps of people who want to rule your head.
the topic was Moderate Muslim Trojan Horse, not evangelicals. this was just an unnecessary counterpoint not related to my post.

But to the bold. These Christians you mention may try to sway you to joining their religion but they do not attempt to sway you as to your clothes, hair covering, who walks in front of whom, who can talk to whom, what you drink or eat, can you leave the house without a male, can you even have a dog, etc.

A Mormon missionary or a Jehovah's Witness may come to my door and ask me about whatever or hand me a tract but they do not tell me not to drink coffee or to wear long skirts.

that is how they are different.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 11:03 AM
 
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the topic was Moderate Muslim Trojan Horse, not evangelicals. this was just an unnecessary counterpoint not related to my post.

But to the bold. These Christians you mention may try to sway you to joining their religion but they do not attempt to sway you as to your clothes, hair covering, who walks in front of whom, who can talk to whom, what you drink or eat, can you leave the house without a male, can you even have a dog, etc.

A Mormon missionary or a Jehovah's Witness may come to my door and ask me about whatever or hand me a tract but they do not tell me not to drink coffee or to wear long skirts.

that is how they are different.
Moral Majority facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com articles about Moral Majority

"The Moral Majority supported collective prayer in public schools, the widespread teaching of Christian scriptures as superior to the findings of modern science, as in its support of creationism, and lobbied for these goals throughout the United States. The group took a strict pro-life stance, advocating the reversal of the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade (1973) that permitted abortions."

"The Moral Majority also played a role in blocking the adoption of the Equal Rights Amendment, which was supported by women's organizations, as defending vulnerable members of society.

The First Amendment - Teaching - PatRobertson.com

"There is nothing in the Constitution about separation of church and state. It doesn't exist."

So in short...the Christian right will deny women their rights to abortions (and even commit acts of terrorism to do so), deny teaching modern science in public schools, advocate for school prayers, vote against equal rights bills, does not believe in the separation of Church & State, will delve us in to Middle East wars and insane support for Israel in order to fulfill perceived biblical prophecies, and work diligently to make sure our kids don't know what a condom is or why it's important to use one....yet....

You highlight the <1% Muslim population in the USA that are generally more educated, higher income earners with very little political power and showing almost no signs of becoming even a remotely dominant minority any time soon.

Islamophobia much?
 
Old 04-05-2017, 11:37 AM
 
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling; run for your lives.......

Is there an American genetic predilection towards fear induced paranoia? It's a wonder they aren't sawing all the legs off their beds.....oh, wait............

There's no evidence that Muslims can be radicalized, right? Shall I bring up the several terrorist acts they have committed on our soil already? But feel free to make fun of common sense. It's what you people do.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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There's no evidence that Muslims can be radicalized, right? Shall I bring up the several terrorist acts they have committed on our soil already? But feel free to make fun of common sense. It's what you people do.
Shall you watch this ?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwXN-szA1NI
 
Old 04-05-2017, 01:27 PM
 
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No close friends that are, just work friends. Have zero issues, with them. I do how ever have several close Chaldean friends that had their entire families ran out of Iraq , and they tell me a much different story on the Muslim cult then I see here.
That being said, personally I don't like any religions but the Islamic ideology I have the most distain for than others.
Which just highlights the problem with letting one religion dominate an entire country.
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Old 04-05-2017, 01:28 PM
 
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"Moderate" muslims may very well breed "fanatical" muslims. Feel good PCs are enabling what is happening in Europe.
And Christians are breeding fanatics, too. And so are atheists. Bottom line is that mental issues allow groups to latch on to people and create fanatics.
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Old 04-05-2017, 01:29 PM
 
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History doesn't support your fear. You have no valid premise to establish such a claim. Your comment is an obvious political narrative.
Except that it does.
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