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Old 04-02-2017, 07:09 PM
 
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Have you looked at the Chevy Bolt? It seems nice. And the Volt s great if you have range anxiety. But I think Teslas new sedan might be the sweet spot for me, the mixture of long range electric, reasonable price, and high levels of automation seem to be pretty good.


What nonsense. The majority cannot afford a new car. They absolutely can afford used ones, and these electric vehicles will eventually end up being used.
The Tesla S meets my wants, but I just could not get myself to get one due to the charging situation, in that I cannot have a charger in my condo and a lack of them around Miami, so I got something else instead. For my "needs", I have an SUV for long trips, and have no time to sit around and wait for a charge. I also like to go off-roading a little. But again, no charging in my condo which is a no deal for me regarding an electric car.

But if they had an suv with a 400 mile range and could go off-road, I would give it a look.
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Exactly. A coal fired plant, though dirty, is still more efficient than an individual gas powered motor.
I don't think you are keeping up with advances in the industry....

The Most Fuel-Efficient Cars - Consumer Reports
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:19 PM
 
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The majority of the public will never be able to afford an electric car.
I have an electric Hybrid. I bought it used with 40 thousand miles for $12900. A lot of people can afford that. The electric is limited but on many days I use no gas.
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:22 PM
 
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Not a rightie, but I don't care if it fails or not, just don't make me pay for it with subsidies.
I've discussed this elsewhere. If one wants to end all subsidies fine but there are subsidies after subsidies. Many that benefit the oil industry also.
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:22 PM
 
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...and these electric vehicles will eventually end up being used.
The used market for these cars is up in the air. What can you expect to pay to replace the battery? When does it need to be replaced?

I know I can go buy a 2006 Buick Lacrosse with 3.8 in it that has 100K and odds are it will be perfectly fine running car at 200K replacing the normal wear and tear items. If I buy a ten year old electric car with 100K on it?
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:23 PM
 
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I've discussed this elsewhere. If one wants to end all subsidies fine but there are subsidies after subsidies. Many that benefit the oil industry also.
I said all subsidies are wrong. Point?
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:25 PM
 
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My electricity comes from a wind and solar provider.
And your provider is 100% dependent on either nuclear, hydro, coal or gas fired generation.

If you want an analogy here it's like buying bottled water, dumping it in the reservoir and saying you drink bottled water.
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:28 PM
 
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I said all subsidies are wrong. Point?
I addressed that.
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The majority of the public will never be able to afford an electric car.
"The horse is here to stay, but the automobile is only a novelty—a fad."
- Advice from a president of the Michigan Savings Bank to Henry Ford's lawyer Horace Rackham. Rackham ignored the advice and invested $5000 in Ford stock, selling it later for $12.5 million.
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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And your provider is 100% dependent on either nuclear, hydro, coal or gas fired generation.

If you want an analogy here it's like buying bottled water, dumping it in the reservoir and saying you drink bottled water.
Actually we are rapidly reaching the point where silicon solar is so cheap that you duplicate all fossil sources. The loaded cost of silicon solar is less than the variable cost of fossil.

And it likely has another factor bigger than 2 over the next decade.

We still need a solution to the storage problem but if solar gets cheap enough it may be in hand...Some version of thermal driven electrolysis may well make the production of hydrogen feasible.

There are numerous paths being explored. The probability is that something will work. I would think that fossil has only a couple of decades left. And that will go primarily to natural gas in the US.
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