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Old 04-04-2017, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Tri STATE!!!
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There are no winners in a nuclear war.
Agreed. You can always tell the intellectual capacity of somebody who thinks Nuclear war is a viable option.
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Old 04-04-2017, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Yeah, BUT...

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North Korea is China's Isreal.... I don't see how anyone can't understand that China is arming NK. Russia and China wish to weaken US by proxy. Just like we weakened Russia with the mujahardeen in Afghanistan . Super powers do this all the time. Where do you think the Taliban get their weapons? China and Russia. If we attack NK it will be the graveyard of our empire.

We should all be comforted by tRump's claim that he "knows more than the generals."

tRump: "No one is more militaristic than me!"

Well, he did get to dress up in a cadet outfit and march around the parade deck of a school for bad boy sons of millionaires.

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Old 04-05-2017, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Anyone who hasn't read this needs to in order to grasp the dynamics involved in the China/N Korea/USA/Japan/S Korea predicament.
Eh, thanks for trying.

If you can't beat em...

Damn Obama...Stupid Trump...Our military crushes all!!!
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Old 04-05-2017, 01:21 AM
 
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It's a tough situation. Obama managed to kick the problem down the road like so many others. NK is trying to provoke war with Japan above all else and the last thing the US wants is Japan to return to a warring nation.

If we can't get NK to stop launching missiles at them that is exactly what they will do. Can you blame them?
So! Not our problem.

Last I checked, Tokyo isn't the capitol of the United States.
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Old 04-05-2017, 02:44 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Nobody has a clue how NK functions. Nobody in that country takes a dump without Jung un approval.

Kill Jung un the country ceases to function.

And you do?

Please do tell just how you became the only one to have this great understanding of just how NK functions?
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Old 04-05-2017, 08:49 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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and millions die...Japan? South Korea?


Seattle? Hawaii?

Perhaps a detonation above our naval task force?

Not gonna happen. Kim couldn't get anything close to any of those targets. Anything airborne coming out of NK toward our fleet would be taken out well before it got into range to deploy a weapon. Even a nuke. Japan isn't helpless either. They have some pretty high tech Naval power of their own and a damn good early warning net. NK has more eyes on it than Argos.


I still say put pressure on China to shut their little brat child down. Kim is an Asian problem. Let the Asian superpower deal with him. War with NK is not in Chinas best interest, and Kim is threatening their interests. Kim is just using the same tactics his father did. Blustering and blowing, he gets a pile of money to shut up for a while, he's carrying on the tradition. So let China either pay him or kill him and put their own puppet in power.
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Not gonna happen. Kim couldn't get anything close to any of those targets. Anything airborne coming out of NK toward our fleet would be taken out well before it got into range to deploy a weapon. Even a nuke. Japan isn't helpless either. They have some pretty high tech Naval power of their own and a damn good early warning net. NK has more eyes on it than Argos.


I still say put pressure on China to shut their little brat child down. Kim is an Asian problem. Let the Asian superpower deal with him. War with NK is not in Chinas best interest, and Kim is threatening their interests. Kim is just using the same tactics his father did. Blustering and blowing, he gets a pile of money to shut up for a while, he's carrying on the tradition. So let China either pay him or kill him and put their own puppet in power.

Lil' Kim IS China's puppet, just as his father and grandfather were before him. He doesn't sneeze w/o Xi's permission.

NK is very useful to China as its proxy spur to use against its opponents. It isn't only the USA that's being goaded; all of NK's missile tests have been aimed at Japan. Most likely because China is having another little territorial dispute over tiny uninhabited islands. This time, not in the S China Sea, but in the Sea of Japan.

So, we need to keep our eyes on the ball, which is China.

We'll soon see how much of a "master negotiator" tRump is when he butts heads with Xi tomorrow and Friday. Xi has considerable leverage, while tRump is in a VERY weak position both politically and personally. His approval ratings are abysmal and dropping. His business interests in China make him highly vulnerable.

Will he act in America's best interests or in his own?

This is why there's so much concern over him hiding info on his overseas business and refusing to divest.
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Old 04-05-2017, 11:11 AM
 
Location: London
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And you do?

Please do tell just how you became the only one to have this great understanding of just how NK functions?
There's no way any of us could truly know. When I was 18 and crazy, I wanted to visit, the appeal being how insular and untouched by most Western influences the country was.

It's not like that for nothing. It's very difficult and expensive to get a visa to visit there, it has to be done through hand-picked DPRK tour agencies based in China, and you are watched and herded by North Korean guides 24/7 to be kept on the segregated zones that tourists are allowed to venture. You cannot wander off or talk to locals or even take photos without guides' approval. Everything you see and touch is specifically designed for tourists, so that you don't see the real North Korea.

I backed out of the idea after doing the research, because I didn't want to end up arrested there for folding a newspaper the wrong way, or simply because the US and North Korea are enemies.

That said, there are documentaries by the few foreigners who did manage to get off the beaten path, as well as first hand accounts from defectors.

That's the best most of us can do to understand that country.
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