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Old 04-04-2017, 10:11 PM
 
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This question is posted here by a male American citizen (and one who is even a senior now). Over the decades, I've wondered at times about the controversy of "EQUIAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK FOR WOMEN" in the USA (though it certainly can prevail elsewhere as well in the world-at-large outsde the USA). I've at times wondered, even as a male, the following question:
"For those in the U.S. population-at-large who do NOT suppport the concept of "equal pay for women for equal work" (believing instead that females should always or nearly always get paid less than males for the same job positions doing the same type and degree of work), what justifications would they give for supporting such a point-of-view?
That is, why is this issue still being fought over to this very day in the USA? I wouldn't normally think that one has to be a liberal or radiclib or leftist or a male or female feminist to support the concept of "equal pay for women for equal work". I would think that, even if I were a conservative or libertarian or moderate on a range of issues, supporting the idea of "equal pay for women for equal work" being codified into law should just be a matter of basic human decency. Is it reaqlly my place, as a male, to tell the entire female half of humanity that, across the board, they are less meritorious and less worthy than me of being paid equially for the same type, level, and degree of work simply because they have female genitalia instead of male genitalia? As competent and gifted as I am, I have worked with and among women in the same type of positions who were as competent as I and sometimes even more competent than I . . . and yet I should still always get paid MORE than they do because I am male rather than female? What kind of common sense and what kind of moral sense does such a position make?

So, to all male Americans (or even non-American males) who are reading this thread and who are opposed to the concept of "equal pay for women for equal work" being codified into law nationally, please explain and justify your position. I'm genuinely curious and intrigued as to what you would say about the matter. And please find it in youself to be intellectually honest here and hence to give a wholly truthful portrayal of what you really think and why you think this way.

And, for that matter, are there any WOMEN here who, even though being a women, you as well do NOT support the concept of "equal pay for women for equal work" being codified into law nationally. If so, please explain & justify your own position of being opposed to the presented concept of "equal pay for women for equal work" being codified into law nationally.

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Old 04-04-2017, 10:16 PM
 
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And please, to all addressing the OP's question, please identify if you are a MALE or FEMALE (unless you, for whatever reason, wish to keep that information private).

It would be interesting, as well, to know what generation you came from (i.e., teen, young adult, middle-aged, senior), what political label(s) you tend to affix to yourself, and any other useful info. But, if that is too invasive for me to hope for, you can pass up on said requests.
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Old 04-04-2017, 10:21 PM
 
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I'm all for equal pay for equal work, and I'm also for less federal government intervention in the private workplace.

Unfortunately, the Bureau of Labor Statistics has found that men tend to work more hours than women, so the "for equal work" part is the flaw in the argument. As a man, non of this means I hate women, or want to hold onto some mythical power that I have, it just means there are facts out there that are conveniently left out of the liberal talking points on this.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinag...rs-than-women/

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...if you compare employed men and women (regardless of part-time work), employed men work an average of 42 minutes more per day than employed women. 42 minutes might not seem like much, but that is an extra 3.5 hours a week or 14 hours a month.
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Old 04-04-2017, 10:30 PM
 
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Try being equal.
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Old 04-04-2017, 10:33 PM
 
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History and being human.

Realities that continue to prevent and deter the ability for equality without boundaries.
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Old 04-04-2017, 10:33 PM
 
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I'm all for equal pay for equal work, and I'm also for less federal government intervention in the private workplace.

Unfortunately, the Bureau of Labor Statistics has found that men tend to work more hours than women, so the "for equal work" part is the flaw in the argument. As a man, non of this means I hate women, or want to hold onto some mythical power that I have, it just means there are facts out there that are conveniently left out of the liberal talking points on this.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinag...rs-than-women/

If the federal government is NOT gonig to intervene to "make things right", then who else will or can do so?

It reminds me of what former Republican mayor of New York City and business magnate Michael Blloomberg once said. He said something like " I don't believe in big government and I don't believe in small government. I believe in necessary government." That is (as to how I interpret what he said), there are simply some matters or issues that we NEED goverment (and yes, even the FEDERAL government) to get involved in and even to enforce . . . and the particular issues in question (such as this issue or the issue of the provision or healthcare, food and drug safety, highway safety, et al) are universal concerns that are not limited in their meaningfulness and application to municipal, county, or state boundaries, and that are not just "matters of concern" only to the individual enterprise(s) in question.
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Old 04-04-2017, 10:35 PM
 
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If the federal government is NOT gonig to intervene to "make things right", then who else will or can do so?

It reminds me of what former Republican mayor of New York City and business magnate Michael Blloomberg once said. He said something like " I don't believe in big government and I don't believe in small government. I believe in necessary government." That is (as to how I interpret what he said), there are simply some matters or issues that we NEED goverment (and yes, even the FEDERAL government) to get involved in and even to enforce . . . and the particular issues in question (such as this issue or the issue of the provision or healthcare, food and drug safety, highway safety, et al) are universal concerns that are not limited in their meaningfulness and application to municipal, county, or state boundaries, and that are not just "matters of concern" only to the individual enterprise(s) in question.
Sooo, you didn't read what I wrote? Men are likely paid more because they work longer hours. These are just averages and I'm sure there are individual cases where its wrong, but I'm sure it works the other way too.

Like I said, the "equal work" part of your statement is the fatal flaw in your argument that anything even needs to be done by the federal government.
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Old 04-04-2017, 10:37 PM
 
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History and being human.

Realities that continue to prevent and deter the ability for equality without boundaries.

If you can, please expand on your verbiage to explain what your own position is and why (using more words that actually flesh out yur thoughts and so, in the process, serve to explain where you are coming from). And might you state if you are a male or female?
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Old 04-04-2017, 10:38 PM
 
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Because we already have laws in place


If a woman is really being paid less for the exact same work with no difference, the company is breaking the law


We don't need any more laws and inervention
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Old 04-04-2017, 10:42 PM
 
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I'm all for equal pay for equal work, and I'm also for less federal government intervention in the private workplace.

Unfortunately, the Bureau of Labor Statistics has found that men tend to work more hours than women, so the "for equal work" part is the flaw in the argument. As a man, non of this means I hate women, or want to hold onto some mythical power that I have, it just means there are facts out there that are conveniently left out of the liberal talking points on this.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinag...rs-than-women/
Just looking at hours worked is a stupid measurement. If we each have 50 reports to write per day, I could just be better at it than you and finish faster. Equal amount of time is not the same thing as equal work. If we are both hired to be accountants to do the same work then the pay should be the same.

and to play devil's advocate, if the woman is hired at less of a salary than her male counterpart to do the same job, why should she work harder? If she was given the discount in salary then maybe it is only right for her to give the discount in work.
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