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Old 04-07-2017, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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Old 04-07-2017, 08:33 AM
 
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Communism leads to hyper Nationalism which then leads to Fascism which leads to totalitarianism. It is a constant power loop.
The only sound system is a balance of all of it through a Conservative Constitutional Republic based on liberty and personal responsibility. Complacency leads to power imbalance.

If you notice, both fascist and communist countries use Nationalism as a driving force to manipulate the population's mentality. Some patriotism can be good, hyper-nationalism generally has a bad outcome.

Most popular leaders have used hyper-nationalism and its effects to promote their causes, whatever they may be, and gain popularity.
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Old 04-07-2017, 08:40 AM
 
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Nice try... but the question was "How many capitalist countries do you know that resulted in tens of millions of of its people starving due to its economic system?



Bengal famine of 1943 was not due to the economic system, it was due to poor crops.

Next?
That's incredibly false. The Bengal Famine was the direct result of deliberate British Empire mismanagement.
Link.

Please stop tinkling on my shoes and telling me it's raining.
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Old 04-07-2017, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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ANTIFA, liberals and the like love to talk and complain about fascism yet if you add it up, communism has been responsible for far more deaths than facism. Yet both antifa and liberals worship communism. They truly believe in the idea of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

Communism in the 20th century is responsible for over 94 million deaths: Communism Killed 94M in 20th Century, Feels Need to Kill Again - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Yet if the left and ANTIFA were in full control and in charge they'd be making a system of govt of oppression, tyranny and evil in its purest form even worse than the Soviet Union and friends could ever hope to have had. Astonishing really.
Most critically, ANTIFA and the SJW movement are inherently communist, and they label everything resisting their grab for authoritarian power as "fascist" or "racist" or "Nazis". The real fascists, Nazis and racists are a tiny and almost entirely ignored group of people. Anyone advocating for free speech is, by default, all three things: Racist, fascist, Nazi. Anyone advocating for calm? Racist, fascist, Nazi. Moderates? Racists, fascists and Nazis, all of them. Republicans, traditional liberals, Libertarians all get thrown in there too: Nazi, fascist, racist, evil demons that must be slain for the greater good.

What we have is an angry debate between real Communists and fake fascists/racists/Nazis. It's a scenario straight out of Mein Kampf: The invention of enemies all around you to solidify the loyalty and determination of your people. And these new Communists self-righteously insist that they will be able to successfully implement "real Communism." Jordan Peterson put it very well. Here's a video that gets right to his clip about it from some obscure YouTube channel I've never heard of.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIZQvBXv5oc
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Old 04-07-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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A couple of examples of communism leading to fascism then leading to totalitarianism are Lenin/Stalin USSR, and Castro/Cuba.

There are countless others. Communism is a very unsustainable concept.
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Old 04-07-2017, 12:20 PM
 
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Ooo are we pretending books don't exist? Only personal experience matters now?

But as the decendent of Russian immigrants I suppose I have e exact same level of personal experience you do. So yes.

Anyway, doesn't change anything about the definitions of political systems.
Was my personal experience inconsistent with the books you read?
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Old 04-07-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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That's incredibly false. The Bengal Famine was the direct result of deliberate British Empire mismanagement.
Link.

Please stop tinkling on my shoes and telling me it's raining.
That is a LIE! A severely ignorant lie and a devious delivered one at that.

The British government were guilty of not providing enough relief which was the RESULT of the low crop results.

Try not being a liar, put more attention on the facts.. I know, its hard for you folks.
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Old 04-07-2017, 12:38 PM
 
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That is a LIE! A severely ignorant lie and a devious delivered one at that.

The British government were guilty of not providing enough relief which was the RESULT of the low crop results.

Try not being a liar, put more attention on the facts.. I know, its hard for you folks.
Inform yourself...the Australians and Americans offered food to relieve the famine...Churchill's government claimed that there weren't enough cargo ships available...they were too busy building up the food surplus in the British Isles...while sailing right by Bengal on their way from Australia to Britain...apparently a British home islands food supply large enough to withstand a 12 month naval blockade wasn't enough for Winston Churchill...

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...+bengal+famine
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:31 PM
 
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Inform yourself...the Australians and Americans offered food to relieve the famine...Churchill's government claimed that there weren't enough cargo ships available...they were too busy building up the food surplus in the British Isles...while sailing right by Bengal on their way from Australia to Britain...apparently a British home islands food supply large enough to withstand a 12 month naval blockade wasn't enough for Winston Churchill...

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...+bengal+famine
Not an issue of Capitalism.

Your argument is that the GOVERNMENT did not act in a manner that was to attend to the starving.

The problem here is that you disregard the context of these situations.


That is, in your example, the GOVERNMENT did not do ENOUGH to stave off the starvation, while.., you COMPLETELY ignore the fact that the STARVATION in the COMMUNIST societies was caused BY COMMUNISM.


You people are oblivious, idealist to the point of absurdity and this is why YOU people end up killing people over your policies.

While in a free society, the individual can starve if they do not attend to their own needs, in a Communist society, starvation is the result of the the oppression of the system.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:52 PM
 
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Not an issue of Capitalism.

Your argument is that the GOVERNMENT did not act in a manner that was to attend to the starving.

The problem here is that you disregard the context of these situations.


That is, in your example, the GOVERNMENT did not do ENOUGH to stave off the starvation, while.., you COMPLETELY ignore the fact that the STARVATION in the COMMUNIST societies was caused BY COMMUNISM.


You people are oblivious, idealist to the point of absurdity and this is why YOU people end up killing people over your policies.

While in a free society, the individual can starve if they do not attend to their own needs, in a Communist society, starvation is the result of the the oppression of the system.
You're shrieking. You've lost the argument.

And as for the canard that famines don't happen under capitalism...starvation happens under capitalism. Just because the wealthy don't starve doesn't make it OK.
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