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What's the end game?" Never mind that, what's the next move? Blowing holes in a runway does what, exactly? I understand the Syrian Air force already is back to bombing civilians.
[quote=MTAtech;47773641]What's the end game?" Never mind that, what's the next move? Blowing holes in a runway does what, exactly? I understand the Syrian Air force already is back to bombing civilians.
Well, war to absolute victory, their unconditional surrender, yes.
The Japanese were not barbaric, but they trained to a very different standard, & fully expected to die in duty to their Emperor, if that was requested of them. Their military understood that to the marrow, & discipline was thoroughly enforced. Their military's understanding of duty & death & dishonor was very, very different from those of the West's military.
Yah, the military leadership deserved everything that happened to them - & actually, we should have prosecuted every IJN & IJA officer we could ID as carrying out war crimes. That was hard to do - the IJ military destroyed all print records & changed their codes near the end of the war. & we traded in biological & chemical warfare records for some of their necks.
I think you're wrong about Japanese being "barbaric" given all that they did to prisoners of war as well as the people of the countries they occupied. Let's also not forget the "Kill all POW's" order.
Their leaders including the Emperor refused to accept their defeat and had their people believing they were still able to win even as bombs decimated Japanese cities and leveled all their defenses. Hell, they wouldn't even surrender after the first nuke was dropped. It took days and another bomb.
I think beheading,burning alive,marching to ones death,various forms of insidious torture as well as forcing/conscripting women/girls to be sex slaves among other savagery certainly fills the definition of "barbaric" fully.
History, & I doubt they run on their feelings anyway
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I would guess this is pretty embarrassing to the Russians. Maybe they will amp up their efforts to prevent something like the chemical attack from happening again. Maybe Putin did think Trump was a patsy. Well, he doesn't anymore.
After every shooting match in the Middle East involving Israel, the ground was littered with Soviet equipment. & occasionally, the IDF would blow up Soviet advisors too, like once when their air force & avionics people were examining a shot-down IDF fighter (an F-16? Back when that was pretty cutting-edge) in Syria, I think it was. Anyway, a follow-up airstrike dropped a bomb on the wreckage, to destroy it & any avionics & such on board. & incidentally blowing the inspecting experts to smithereens.
So no, the CIS doesn't embarrass worth a damn. Just as well, they'd have been permanently paralyzed decades ago otherwise. Nah, they'll just recalibrate how much effort & care they have to exercise when dealing with Trump. & maybe be a little more subtle in dusting off their proxy (Assad) & putting out his smoldering clothing, giving him nice shiny new toys to fiddle about - making sure to disable the higher functions of the electronics & locking out the IFF tables & freqs. (No point giving away the show, hm?)
True, and they actually turned it into a bigger obstacle than it was when it was standing because it became perfect cover for the Germans because of the rubble.
But that was the 1940's...they did they best they could with the info they had.
Nah, that was W. Churchill trying to get the Allies to attack the soft underbelly of Europe. He'd tried previously in WWI in Turkey, as the British First Sea Lord - & failed so ignominiously that he resigned the post.
He nearly doomed the Normandy Invasion too - as he tried to get the Allies to go north from Italy or Greece or the Balkans or somewhere - so that the BEF wouldn't have to attempt to take Normandy, & possibly fail with massive loss of life - a bigger, worse Dieppe raid.
FDR had to stiffen Churchill's resolve - but that's a different conversation, to be sure.
Those who agreed with the strike: Do you think we should take the next step of aggression if Assad uses chemical weapons again, or if he commits "normal" atrocities against his people, or what do you think is the minimum trigger for us to escalate from here? Honest question... I'm now just wondering what happens after this message is sent. I bet Assad's wondering too and he'll probably test us on it.
Anything other than an occupational ground war should be on the table. Level what we need to, but keep combat boots off the ground.
What's the end game?" Never mind that, what's the next move? Blowing holes in a runway does what, exactly? I understand the Syrian Air force already is back to bombing civilians.
I heard it reported that the US gave Russians a heads up so they could get their soldiers out of the area, but Russia did not pass the warning on to Syria. The airport that was taken out is a strategic one for them.
"Senior administration official: Strike should not be interpreted as beginning of wider campaign to weaken or remove Assad.
In typical Trump fashion, the missile strike was a big showy empty gesture that was intended to get the president some good press.
You must not be comprehending the article in your own link. Is this how easily the left is fooled?
What a MISLEADING HEADLINE: "White House Admits that Syria Missile Strike was a Meaningless Publicity Stunt."
The WH didn't admit any such thing! It's a disgrace that Jason Easley, lefty and in a very biased publication would distort it that way. It's HIS baseless opinion. He should be ashamed.
Here's what it actually says, for those who can read and comprehend:
"Senior White House officials are admitting that the missile strike against Syria was not part of a broader strategy or part of an effort to remove Assad." - This statement is in response to charges from the left that the removal of Assad will come next. Not so, says the WH.
"In other words, the missile strike was a meaningless slap on the wrist that was intended to make Trump look strong." - This is Easley pontificating and spouting his own opinion which the poster embraced and reworded.
Definitely a show, but the Trumpeteers love this. They feel they have a "strong leader"....
Trumpeteers? Or Democrats?
This is the first time Democrats have applauded President Trump (and Hillary Clinton chose the same military move, in her recent interview).
And CNN says right-wingers will leave Trump for his decision to get involved with Syria-
Washington (CNN) - While much of the world is applauding President Donald Trump's decision to strike a Syrian airbase in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack against civilians, right-wing populist supporters at home and abroad are criticizing the move and distancing themselves from him. After Syria strike, populist supporters abandon Trump at home and abroad - CNNPolitics.com
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History, & I doubt they run on their feelings anyway
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