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Old 04-07-2017, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
How silly we are headed to 8 Billion people on the planet. There will be manufacturing jobs on the level never seen before in human history.

Maybe you have misconception that it's nothing more than putting a top on a bottom on an assembly line. LOL
Hmm- I guess I better tell my son to decline acceptance into the engineering program where he wants to get into industrial engineering. Specializing in automation and robotics.

Lol.

 
Old 04-07-2017, 04:50 PM
 
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Much better than what many face today.

Center city Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis would love for a plant with good paying jobs to open.
And are plants being built in inner cities? Seems more often plants are relocated to rural southern states that have no Union presence.
 
Old 04-09-2017, 05:30 AM
 
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"Reshoring" has been picking up steam over the last few years as well.
 
Old 04-09-2017, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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And you really think manufacturing jobs materialize in 2 months???



Yeah, it's usually a "recall'' and it happens when "laid-off" employees are called back to work.


Often additional shifts are added to an existing operation.


New employees may also hired, but that will likely happen after existing employees are back to work.


Also worth noting, many manufacturing jobs require training, security clearances of one sort or another and even relocation after being hired.


All these processes take time and smart employers take a proactive approach to getting their people in position in anticipation of growing demand.

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Old 04-09-2017, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Ya know, as much as I like you guys on the right, you really do live in a delusional world. First of all, you somehow think miraculously, after only 80 odd days in office, that the economy has taken some YUGE leap, simply because your leader is in there. That is not how business or the economy works. CEO's do not say "WOW Donald Trump is in there, let's start building our company bigger and hire lots of people." NO, that is not what happens.

Secondly, as much as a lot of us remember those days, in the 50's, where dad packed his lunchbox and headed off to the factory, those days no longer exist...........nor do coal jobs. Dad has been replaced by a robot named Sid, and the coal miner has been replaced by huge machines that produce more coal in a day than he did in a month. Plus, coal is yesterday technology and is going away.

As for home construction being up, yep, it is........but that started a long time before your boy announced his candidacy . It died around 8 years ago, and Obama brought it back. I know, on a Sunday morning, we should be more Christian-like, and let you have your fantasies, but we can't let you guys go on making a fool of yourselves and embarrassing yourselves this way.
 
Old 04-09-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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Ya know, as much as I like you guys on the right, you really do live in a delusional world. First of all, you somehow think miraculously, after only 80 odd days in office, that the economy has taken some YUGE leap, simply because your leader is in there. That is not how business or the economy works. CEO's do not say "WOW Donald Trump is in there, let's start building our company bigger and hire lots of people." NO, that is not what happens.

Secondly, as much as a lot of us remember those days, in the 50's, where dad packed his lunchbox and headed off to the factory, those days no longer exist...........nor do coal jobs. Dad has been replaced by a robot named Sid, and the coal miner has been replaced by huge machines that produce more coal in a day than he did in a month. Plus, coal is yesterday technology and is going away.

As for home construction being up, yep, it is........but that started a long time before your boy announced his candidacy . It died around 8 years ago, and Obama brought it back. I know, on a Sunday morning, we should be more Christian-like, and let you have your fantasies, but we can't let you guys go on making a fool of yourselves and embarrassing yourselves this way.
What a sweet way to put it.
 
Old 04-09-2017, 07:27 AM
 
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Ya know, as much as I like you guys on the right, you really do live in a delusional world. First of all, you somehow think miraculously, after only 80 odd days in office, that the economy has taken some YUGE leap, simply because your leader is in there. That is not how business or the economy works. CEO's do not say "WOW Donald Trump is in there, let's start building our company bigger and hire lots of people." NO, that is not what happens.

Secondly, as much as a lot of us remember those days, in the 50's, where dad packed his lunchbox and headed off to the factory, those days no longer exist...........nor do coal jobs. Dad has been replaced by a robot named Sid, and the coal miner has been replaced by huge machines that produce more coal in a day than he did in a month. Plus, coal is yesterday technology and is going away.

As for home construction being up, yep, it is........but that started a long time before your boy announced his candidacy . It died around 8 years ago, and Obama brought it back. I know, on a Sunday morning, we should be more Christian-like, and let you have your fantasies, but we can't let you guys go on making a fool of yourselves and embarrassing yourselves this way.






Used to be that most new car dealerships typically had three or more full-time transmission mechanics on the payroll.


There was lots of work for skilled transmission techs and overtime may have even been mandatory.


Since manufacturers began controlling transmissions with electronic control modules (starting in the late 1980s), the failure rate of automatic transmissions has decreased dramatically, and this even more so with the recent refinements and expanded capabilities of transmission controllers and related electronics.


Today, your local Chrysler/Ford/GM dealership may have one full-time transmission tech on staff who now spends much of his workday performing non-transmission related repairs because there simply isn't enough transmission work to keep him/her busy.


This is a clear example of real jobs being lost to refinements in technology, but that is only part of the story.


The rest of the story is that a person with the skill set needed to diagnose and repair a malfunctioning transmission can apply many of the same skills to an automated system used in manufacturing, mining, agriculture, transportation, etc.


As in the past, individuals who refuse to develop their skills will be left behind while those who embrace new technology will find countless opportunities in areas of the economy where that technology is in demand.
 
Old 04-09-2017, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Liberals don't like manufacturing jobs. They look to much like hard work, which is a sin or something. Better to have tens of millions of Americans on welfare, while illegals sneak in to do what little work liberals will allow to be done in America. Liberals are losers, and have no business running a lemonade stand, let alone an economy.
 
Old 04-09-2017, 07:58 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Used to be that most new car dealerships typically had three or more full-time transmission mechanics on the payroll.


There was lots of work for skilled transmission techs and overtime may have even been mandatory.


Since manufacturers began controlling transmissions with electronic control modules (starting in the late 1980s), the failure rate of automatic transmissions has decreased dramatically, and this even more so with the recent refinements and expanded capabilities of transmission controllers and related electronics.


Today, your local Chrysler/Ford/GM dealership may have one full-time transmission tech on staff who now spends much of his workday performing non-transmission related repairs because there simply isn't enough transmission work to keep him/her busy.


This is a clear example of real jobs being lost to refinements in technology, but that is only part of the story.


The rest of the story is that a person with the skill set needed to diagnose and repair a malfunctioning transmission can apply many of the same skills to an automated system used in manufacturing, mining, agriculture, transportation, etc.


As in the past, individuals who refuse to develop their skills will be left behind while those who embrace new technology will find countless opportunities in areas of the economy where that technology is in demand.
My money was in diesels back in little texas of NY. Never stood around flagged 50-60hrs a week on rusty crusty north east trucks. Everyone owned at least 1. Contractors, farmers, landscapers, etc had 3+ and beat the snot out of them. 6.0 head studs, Bullet Proof Egr and new oil coolers or EGR delete, 6.4s from turbos and egr failures to short blocks. Rear diffs. Torqshift failures.

Transmissions were a money maker, when the 6 speeds came out in everything blue goose egg it was typically the older crowds crying and carrying on about constant shifting, or inconsistent shift qualities after only having 3/4 speed autos since they've been driving...

Winter was the busiest time for me and the other diesel guys. Plows and potholes beat front ends to death, rear diffs and transmissions took a beating. Fuel gel up and wipe out fuel systems, from 6.0 injectors to 6.4 high pressure pumps and injectors, 6.7s not so much had many mysterious cardboard discs floating in the tank plug off the sending units... Spring-summer, count on contractors towing heavy pop head gaskets, egr coolers, wipe out transmissions and rear diffs.


Moved to Florida. Not half as much the volume of work. No state inspections and customers not caring about ball joints and tie rods falling out. I won't touch anything smaller than an F250. Not worth ripping my arms to hell and back in a tight engine bay. When with a truck, if I need more room just rip the cab off.

Hung the wrenches up got into other trades I'm proficient in. There's no robotics coming for what I do now. That requires critical thinking and the human element. Digital or analogue inputs and outputs can't think until artificial intelligence is mastered.

Seeing the 3D printer for concrete walls and brick walls, still need someone to bring that equipment to a site, set it up, feed it power, supply it with concrete or blocks. Someone to program it to the blue prints.

Assembly line jobs. There will be a human element there even if it's all robots. Someone needs to maintain and repair them. Bearings wear. Bushings wear. Hinges and moving parts need lubrication. Sensors fail. Electrical components fail/wear. May not be human hands building goods, but it will be human hands that diagnose and repair those robots...
 
Old 04-10-2017, 07:05 AM
 
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Much better than what many face today.

Center city Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis would love for a plant with good paying jobs to open.
They wouldn't locate to those places because they'd actually have to pay livable wages. Instead they'll go to the Southeast or Indiana where they can pay $9-$15 an hour and you will act like they have been saved lol.

But FWIW I live not too far from Detroit and there are already a lot of "good paying" manufacturing jobs in SE MI that people do work for. Even so, most people don't want their kids working on the assembly line if they don't have to. Those are very hard labor jobs for the most part. All 3 of my brothers work in manufacturing and all 3 of them don't want their kids to do the jobs they do. Two of them are going back to school to get off the assembly line.

FWIW there are decent paying engineering jobs in manufacturing, but they are not hiring hundreds or thousands of people in one location for those jobs, maybe 20-30 per factory. They do pay well, but as stated earlier, we will never see the amount of people working in manufacturing in the 21st century as we saw in the 20th century because the bodies are not needed anymore. Lots of robots do the assembly now and people just maintain the robots or manipulate them.
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