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Old 04-08-2017, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Old 04-08-2017, 01:33 PM
 
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WAR BETWEEN the alt-right and business wings.

...winner is obvious...the business wing.

Thank god! Kick Gorka, Jones, Bannon, Milo, and all the alt-right in the nuts....and give power to ivanka, jared, etc. They understand business, so things will be better
Getting involved in the middle east and confrontations with everyone from russia to north korea isnt good for business and the economy. The last time neo cons took over an administration ,w bush,we had a trillion dollar invasion of iraq for "weapons of mass destruction" , inflaming sunni/shiite tensions in the middle east, two big recessions, the second under W. Bush being the worst since the Great Depression.

When Clinton left office in 2001, he left America with a projected $1.9 trillion surplus. When the Bush term ended in 2009 the CBO projected $1.2 trillion in debt, we were left with this terrible recession, long term stagnation of wages and a massive expansion of government,housing bubble, the largest terrorist attack on american soil, a credit tsunami, etc. The last mainstream republican, W. was one of the worst presidents in our history because had neo cons running the ship
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Old 04-08-2017, 01:37 PM
 
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Getting involved in the middle east and confrontations with everyone from russia to north korea isnt good for business and the economy. The last time neo cons took over an administration ,w bush,we had a trillion dollar invasion of iraq for "weapons of mass destruction" , inflaming sunni/shiite tensions in the middle east, two big recessions, the second under W. Bush being the worst since the Great Depression.

When Clinton left office in 2001, he left America with a projected $1.9 trillion surplus. When the Bush term ended in 2009 the CBO projected $1.2 trillion in debt, we were left with this terrible recession, long term stagnation of wages and a massive expansion of government,housing bubble, the largest terrorist attack on american soil, a credit tsunami, etc. The last mainstream republican, W. was one of the worst presidents in our history because had neo cons running the ship
And Obama borrowed more money than all previous presidents combined and kept us at war longer in more places than any other President in US history. Your point?
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Old 04-08-2017, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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And Obama borrowed more money than all previous presidents combined. Your point?
Nice statement..link? And if it is true..why? To stimulate the economy after the Great Recession?
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Old 04-08-2017, 01:44 PM
 
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Getting involved in the middle east and confrontations with everyone from russia to north korea isnt good for business and the economy. The last time neo cons took over an administration ,w bush,we had a trillion dollar invasion of iraq for "weapons of mass destruction" , inflaming sunni/shiite tensions in the middle east, two big recessions, the second under W. Bush being the worst since the Great Depression.

When Clinton left office in 2001, he left America with a projected $1.9 trillion surplus. When the Bush term ended in 2009 the CBO projected $1.2 trillion in debt, we were left with this terrible recession, long term stagnation of wages and a massive expansion of government,housing bubble, the largest terrorist attack on american soil, a credit tsunami, etc. The last mainstream republican, W. was one of the worst presidents in our history because had neo cons running the ship

1. True. Conflict is never good for business. This is why I'd rather see Ivanka or Jared having a greater role. The alt-crew of Bannon and spencer are too ideological and they were the ones who pushed for a muslim ban (bad), syria srikes (bad), etc.

2. Bush certainly faced challenges during his presidency, but to say that the banking crisis or housing bubble was his fault is idiotic.

3. The solution to the some of the challenges from the Bush admin, which I wouldn't call a failure, isn't to push for a cadre of alt-right anti capitalists who want to infringe on private industry, and who don't understand economic policy. The solution is a mainline Republican like Romney, Kasich, etc.

4. How am I supposed to take a political movement seriously when one of it's big points is that alien gay frogs are taking over the country. That is idiotic as well.
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Old 04-08-2017, 01:55 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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So bannon quit working for Trump? did not see that yet, have you got a link or are talking about Bannon getting kick off the council?

as to false flags? really how who why when where what ...any proof, or just a feeling...



And since we are playing guesses and feelings... well i "feel" Bannon and his crew are being dumped because trump knows they have given him nothing but failure since day one. Bannon and his crew put together the sixth grade muslim ban that made sure trump could never get a muslim ban. Bannon has encouraged Trump to attack when he should have built bridges. In short bannon and his crew are great at shouting from the sidelines but clowns otherwise. like most blowhards they are all great after the event with 20/20.

11 weeks of failure is 12 too long. And while Trump is not the brightest he is not that dumb that he cannot see he has been foolish to follow such an inexperienced crew.
^ this, this is the best assessment of things I have seen

Bannon, Miller, Gorka, etc need to go. IMO if he gets rid of these bigoted clowns and keep listening to Kushner, Mattis, McMaster, Perry, the Tuesday Group, etc he will completely turn around his floundering presidency and maybe ... just maybe .... he will be a great president.
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Old 04-08-2017, 02:00 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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The alt-right removal is a step forward. That point shouldn't be lost. The alt-right has little room in politics and shouldn't be listened to at all. Their conspiracy theories are a danger to the public. Just look at Pizzagate.

That said, replacing the alt-right with business people I don't think is the right idea either. Politics isn't business and cannot really be run that way. Are there ways we COULD run the country LIKE a business, sure. The issue is there is enough of a difference that running a successful business will hurt a state or country. For instance, Gov of Arizona Doug Ducey is looking to close "failing schools" but has little ways to fix the issue of having displaced students attend new schools including over-crowding the school (as well as transit.)
This is very, very true ... look at Kansas or the GOP whining that the Puerto Rico control board isn't doing enough to repay creditors (who just so happen to be the top GOP donors and fundraisers) as two more examples. And your absolutely correct that we can't run America like a business. We're a nation, not a corporation.
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Old 04-08-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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This is very, very true ... look at Kansas or the GOP whining that the Puerto Rico control board isn't doing enough to repay creditors (who just so happen to be the top GOP donors and fundraisers) as two more examples. And your absolutely correct that we can't run America like a business. We're a nation, not a corporation.

The KS outcome is because of Brownback and Kobach, BOTH of whom are on Trump's team.

This is the problem with half of the Trump team.
He should have sought out more people like Jared, Romney, etc who understand business
Instead, he got a bunch of ideological crazies
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Old 04-08-2017, 02:09 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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The KS outcome is because of Brownback and Kobach, BOTH of whom are on Trump's team.

This is the problem with half of the Trump team.
He should have sought out more people like Jared, Romney, etc who understand business
Instead, he got a bunch of ideological crazies
Like I said in Post #16, if he gets rid of the crazies he could become a good president. That said, I admit it's unlikely he will completely sideline the alt-right types sadly
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Old 04-08-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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1. True. Conflict is never good for business. This is why I'd rather see Ivanka or Jared having a greater role. The alt-crew of Bannon and spencer are too ideological and they were the ones who pushed for a muslim ban (bad), syria srikes (bad), etc.

2. Bush certainly faced challenges during his presidency, but to say that the banking crisis or housing bubble was his fault is idiotic.

3. The solution to the some of the challenges from the Bush admin, which I wouldn't call a failure, isn't to push for a cadre of alt-right anti capitalists who want to infringe on private industry, and who don't understand economic policy. The solution is a mainline Republican like Romney, Kasich, etc.

4. How am I supposed to take a political movement seriously when one of it's big points is that alien gay frogs are taking over the country. That is idiotic as well.
Thats incorrect that Bannon was calling for the Syria bombing, the exact opposite. Most nationalists and populists were very critical of this bombing, its all these other people around trump who had him jumping into action and bombing without even an investigation and getting us more and more involved in the middle east.

Steve bannon is much closer to trumps base than guys like Kushner or Ivanka and most mainstream republicans

The financial crisis happened on bushs watch, 8 years into his presidency and he had plenty of time to deal with home-lending industry run amok or a banking industry that mortgaged its future on toxic loans. he isnt responsible for 9/11 but less than three months before 9/11 he is lecturing against the "racial profiling of arabs in airports" and bush certainly didnt stop illegal immigration at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q-Ki3pDzaM

Bush gives us a trillion dollar invasion of iraq over wmds and basically gave us obama. The democrats are paying for the mediocrity of obama by being in their worst shape in over 100 years.

If the republicans had of gone with someone like romney or cruz,or mcain or kasich they would have lost the presidency for the 3rd straight time. Nationalism and populism are gaining steam all over the globe, with or without trump it isnt going away in america
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