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I find the political evolution of California over the years, especially the southern part of the state, fascinating. The state was once a red-leaning swing state with Southern California leaning Republican and the Bay Area leaning Democratic (like Florida today). I think the idea of "the land of Nixon and Reagan" died sometime in the 1990s. The last Republican holdout in Southern California, Orange County, finally went blue in 2016. While I still believe SoCal is more politically diverse than the Bay Area, it's solidly liberal today and has more in common politically with the Bay Area than it does inland California. Why did this happen? Demographic change is a big one. I think the smoking gun, so to speak, is the fact that both halves of California have always been nearly the polar opposite of the South. The Republican Party, before George W. Bush in 2000, wasn't as entrenched in the South and Republicans had more appeal in places like SoCal.
I am against CalExit and I think it would be very bad for the US if California was to secede.
well said, and i agree with you on this.
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Originally Posted by evilcart
Nope,
If CA were to ever really consider going, the entire west coast would go with them. in fact it is likely if a state can leave, then the east coast would leave too.
that would leave Texas carrying what is left of the USA and they would tire of it fast. Meanwhile without the dead weight of the "red" states " the coasts could go on to be great economic powers, and use the "red states" as cheap labor. We would likely give you guys temp work permits and allow you to "earn" citizenship in the coastal nations through service....
the big losers in any break up are not on the coasts.
except that the US defense industry would move out of all those states that seceded and those states would lose a ton of money coming into those states as a result. not to mention that electricity and water that goes to those states that are generated by the remainder of the US would either be cut off, or become far more expensive to purchase, and at that point california would have to either build more power plants, pay a lot more for electricity and water, or collapse under its own weight and return with its tail between its legs, as would the other states.
If CA were to ever really consider going, the entire west coast would go with them. in fact it is likely if a state can leave, then the east coast would leave too.
that would leave Texas carrying what is left of the USA and they would tire of it fast. Meanwhile without the dead weight of the "red" states " the coasts could go on to be great economic powers, and use the "red states" as cheap labor. We would likely give you guys temp work permits and allow you to "earn" citizenship in the coastal nations through service....
the big losers in any break up are not on the coasts.
the whole thing is a fantasy surely you understand nobody in this thread thinks any of this is in any way real or likely in our lives. so you should feel free to make up your version cause it is all just playtime.
I find the political evolution of California over the years, especially the southern part of the state, fascinating. The state was once a red-leaning swing state with Southern California leaning Republican and the Bay Area leaning Democratic (like Florida today). I think the idea of "the land of Nixon and Reagan" died sometime in the 1990s. The last Republican holdout in Southern California, Orange County, finally went blue in 2016. While I still believe SoCal is more politically diverse than the Bay Area, it's solidly liberal today and has more in common politically with the Bay Area than it does inland California. Why did this happen? Demographic change is a big one. I think the smoking gun, so to speak, is the fact that both halves of California have always been nearly the polar opposite of the South. The Republican Party, before George W. Bush in 2000, wasn't as entrenched in the South and Republicans had more appeal in places like SoCal.
I am against CalExit and I think it would be very bad for the US if California was to secede.
Maybe Los Angeles is politically diverse because it's an uber liberal playground, but not the OC, Riverside/San Bernardino, etc. Two decades of illegal immigration has turned the SoCal region blue, even though non-illegals lean conservative. If we kicked out illegals, SoCal would be hardcore red.
If CA were to ever really consider going, the entire west coast would go with them. in fact it is likely if a state can leave, then the east coast would leave too.
that would leave Texas carrying what is left of the USA and they would tire of it fast. Meanwhile without the dead weight of the "red" states " the coasts could go on to be great economic powers, and use the "red states" as cheap labor. We would likely give you guys temp work permits and allow you to "earn" citizenship in the coastal nations through service....
the big losers in any break up are not on the coasts.
Washington and Oregon are mostly red. The Puget Sound area in Washington is hardcore liberal while the rest of the state is red. In Oregon, the Portland area is heavily liberal while the rest of the state (besides Eugene) is read. They better be careful because when they secede, they are taking the "deplorables" in the dead weight of the red counties.
I'm for Calexit and would really like the entire left coast to go. CA, OR, WA and HI. All solidly blue states. Take your illegals and your liberal lifestyle with you.
They aren't solidly blue states, they're DEEP DEEP blue strips along I-5 with the rest being mainly red. If you split WA and OR along the Cascades into 2 more states you'd see 2 more solidly red states every election.
I have a better idea. Why doesn't California just remain in the Union but deploy its National Guard to Tennessee and force is it to be civilized? California's forces would overwhelm the pathetic forces of the volunteer state. They'd be volunteering to surrender (again) in no time.
That would be the California National Guard that demanded the return of 10,000 enlistment bonuses?
Washington and Oregon are mostly red. The Puget Sound area in Washington is hardcore liberal while the rest of the state is red. In Oregon, the Portland area is heavily liberal while the rest of the state (besides Eugene) is read. They better be careful because when they secede, they are taking the "deplorables" in the dead weight of the red counties.
WA, could split east west alright. The mountains make a pretty close guide, most would be fine with that.
But frankly Red or blue most would likely wish to avoid being poor. I have played this game before elsewhere. When people are presented with politics or poverty they pick giving up their political beliefs shockingly fast. almost everyone likes jobs with good pay.
Even the British figured this was the key to ending risings, and rebellions, give them jobs, that enrich them. Can you think of an asian country that did not want to back in 1999 , or the north of ireland, settling down when the UK copped on and stopped blocking catholics from good paying work and saving it .
I would add you of course want diversity in government. I vote for a republican in WA all the time, he is a great guy, works hard for the people and stops Dems getting out of hand.
What you want is balance, and the Right in the USA has moved way too far right and they mistakenly believe the is far left, when it is really a centrist party.
Here is a map for CalExit (California Secession). Western California should secede. Give the southern part of east California to Arizona, and give the northern part to Nevada. The boundary should be I-15 for the north and the south.
Southern California (besides the city of Los Angeles) leans conservative but due to the huge amount of illegals, it ends up going dumb-o-crat. Unlike the Bay Area, they aren't hardcore liberal. If Trump builds the wall and kicks out all the illegals, SoCal would heavily be red and should join forces with Arizona.
Lol. Besides the city of Los Angeles? What's left if you take out LA from SoCal? You're stuck in the 50s.
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