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I didn't use "hacking", the CNN reporter did, paraphrasing Rex Tillerson. And Tillerson meant that the Russians hacked the election, not the DNC servers.
As for charges of collusion, I didn't make that claim here in this thread.
So you're saying that you don't believe U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, nominated by President Donald Trump and confirmed by a Republican-controlled Senate?
You find Sergey Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister, more believeable?
If you can't believe a CNN reporter, what can you believe?
Yup. And even more shocking is that Trump actually made a disparaging remark about Putin going as far as calling him an animal. Think this may be the first negative comment he made about the Russian leader since taking office. What gives. Have the oligarchs called in Trump's loans ?
Either that..... or he thinks it will cool the suspicion about him being in bed with Putin!
So what do you think about what was exposed? The cheating on the part of the DNC?
Begging the question, there pknopp...
There have been a number of right wing denialists on this board who have adamantly maintained that there was absolutely no Russian meddling. The entire point of the thread is that the denialists are contradicted - and not just by some Democratic operatives in a supposed U.S. 'shadow government' but by a high ranking member of President Trump's own administration.
How deep it goes depends on what the current multiple investigations reveal.
There have been a number of right wing denialists on this board who have adamantly maintained that there was absolutely no Russian meddling. The entire point of the thread is that the denialists are contradicted - and not just by some Democratic operatives in a supposed U.S. 'shadow government' but by a high ranking member of President Trump's own administration.
How deep it goes depends on what the current multiple investigations reveal.
It had not been proven that So called Russian meddling affected one vote in the election
There have been a number of right wing denialists on this board who have adamantly maintained that there was absolutely no Russian meddling. The entire point of the thread is that the denialists are contradicted - and not just by some Democratic operatives in a supposed U.S. 'shadow government' but by a high ranking member of President Trump's own administration.
How deep it goes depends on what the current multiple investigations reveal.
I didn't ask you to tell us what the "right wing" thought. I asked what you thought and you couldn't answer. So what this boils down to is the fact that you will not condemn the wrong we know happened while you expect others to condemn something that there is no proof even happened.
As I've said for years, you can't expect others to do something you will not do yourself.
So you agree with Dash, that the U.S. Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, is a liar?
Unless I missed it, Tillerson never said the meddling affected the outcome. And what, exactly, did Tillerson say? Did he say that the meddling affected the results of the election?
Clapper: Alleged Russian Hacking Efforts ‘Did Not Change the Vote Tallies’
At the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee’s hearing on cyber threats, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper acknowledged that alleged Russian hacking efforts did not involve the changing of vote tallies.
Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper told ABC News he did not see anything to suggest that Russia successfully infiltrated Donald Trump's presidential campaign or recruited any of Trump’s advisers
Unless I missed it, Tillerson never said the meddling affected the outcome. And what, exactly, did Tillerson say? Did he say that the meddling affected the results of the election?
Whether the meddling affected the outcome of the election or not, Tillerson did say that Russia meddled in the election. This is from the video in post #107, around the 40 minute mark. It is a question from a reporter, and Secretary Tillerson's response.
Reporter: Secretary Tillerson, did you discuss today with President Putin or Foreign Minister Lavrov sanctions or other concessions that the United States might make in exchange for a change in behavior from the Russian government and also, speaking about what you just answered previously, did you present to President Putin or the Foreign Minister specific evidence that the Russian government interfered in the U.S. election?
Secretary Tillerson: We discussed no change in the status of sanctions that have been in place with Russia as a result of certain actions taken in Ukraine, as you know. I think as to the question of the interference with the election, that is fairly well established that the United States, I think, has been spoken to on the Hill as well, with the Congress, and it is a serious issue, it's one that we know is serious enough to attract additional tradition sanctions, and so we are mindful of the seriousness of that particular interference in our elections and I'm sure that Russia is mindful of it as well.
Point blank - Tillerson flatly stated that the Russians meddled in the election.
Questioning whether the meddling was effective enough to have changed the election results wasn't part of Tillerson's answer, and multiple attempts to tack that onto the thread seek to negate what Tillerson said.
If the Russians attempted to meddle in the U.S. Presidential elections and failed, that doesn't mean that they didn't meddle in the first place. Tillerson himself even mentioned additional sanctions against Russia in retaliation for its meddling.
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Reason: Edited for typos
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