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Old 04-12-2017, 02:53 PM
 
Location: SC
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Why is it that every time something like THIS comes out we specifically have to tell them we want to opt out of this program?

"If you were watching TV on Wednesday and own a Google-powered digital assistant, you may have heard a voice that left you feeling hungry ― or unnerved.

Burger King has released an ad for its Whopper sandwich that’s designed to trigger viewers’ Google Home devices."


Why is it that we have to tell companies over and over and over to get their adware and snoop programs out of our devices; our computers, our phones, out TVs.

Why hasn't congress pass any laws with teeth that say "that device is not your property - keep off of it?" If people want to - or don't mind being inundated with commercial contacts, they should be able to set their devices to an "on" mode, not have to find and chase adware out of the the devices they paid for.

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Old 04-12-2017, 02:54 PM
 
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Ohh thats why i have been eating whoppers for months now
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Old 04-12-2017, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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If you value your privacy, why would you wait for the slow gears in DC to grind their way to protecting it for you? You claim to value your privacy, so what are you doing to protect it? Expecting government to protect your privacy is like expecting the fox to protect the hen house.

Further you should learn what it is you own, and what it is you've actually licensed. They're not the same and you have few rights as far as licensed are concerned outside of the terms in the use policy. The policy you agreed to will permit approved advertising by paid advertisers, you'll probably be in breach if you try to block them, because you don't own the software. All you can rely on is Google ending this because of public opinion.
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Old 04-12-2017, 06:58 PM
 
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Americans value their privacy until their favorite political party tells them that it's not important enough to value.
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Old 04-12-2017, 07:04 PM
 
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If you value your privacy, why would you wait for the slow gears in DC to grind their way to protecting it for you?
And why would you have a spy phone,etc if you valued it?
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Old 04-12-2017, 08:33 PM
 
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If you value your privacy, why would you wait for the slow gears in DC to grind their way to protecting it for you? You claim to value your privacy, so what are you doing to protect it? Expecting government to protect your privacy is like expecting the fox to protect the hen house.
So what is it that you suggest, as to how to keep people from accessing your computer/phone without your expressed permission. Yes, I can set up firewalls and other security measures - but they are likely overrun almost immediately.
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Further you should learn what it is you own, and what it is you've actually licensed. They're not the same and you have few rights as far as licensed are concerned outside of the terms in the use policy. The policy you agreed to will permit approved advertising by paid advertisers, you'll probably be in breach if you try to block them, because you don't own the software. All you can rely on is Google ending this because of public opinion.
As for licensing vs. owning. I own my computer, my pad and my phone. What licensing agreement exists that says I consent to any downloading to my device by third or fourth parties without my permission, or turning on it's camera or speaker or mike without my knowledge or permission?
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Old 04-12-2017, 10:14 PM
 
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So what is it that you suggest, as to how to keep people from accessing your computer/phone without your expressed permission. Yes, I can set up firewalls and other security measures - but they are likely overrun almost immediately.


As for licensing vs. owning. I own my computer, my pad and my phone. What licensing agreement exists that says I consent to any downloading to my device by third or fourth parties without my permission, or turning on it's camera or speaker or mike without my knowledge or permission?

First, a properly configured firewall blocks the vast vast majority of snooping that goes on on the Internet. But a firewall is nowhere near enough. You need to restrict most scripts from running to prevent XSS injection attacks, url and cache poisoning, drive-by downloads, and cookies, and have anti-malware and anti-virus installed. I've been beaten once, many years ago, and I was not security conscious then.

Do you own your own computer? Are you sure? You may own the hardware inside it, but if you are running Windows, you don't own Windows, you have a license to use it. And you likely consented to have your information submitted to Microsoft and Google and didn't even know it. Read your Microsoft privacy policy and Windows EULA. Don't wait for government to act, especially not this one
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Old 04-12-2017, 10:18 PM
 
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Americans all want to be big Rockstars.

And live in hilltop houses, drivin' fifteen cars. The girls come easy and the drugs come cheap. They all stay skinny 'cause they just won't eat.

They'll hang out in the coolest bars, In the VIP with the movie stars.
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Old 04-12-2017, 11:16 PM
 
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So what is it that you suggest, as to how to keep people from accessing your computer/phone without your expressed permission. Yes, I can set up firewalls and other security measures - but they are likely overrun almost immediately.
I agree if you set up your security measures they will in most likelihood be overrun immediately. However like healthcare it's often better to leave it to people who work in that field, or gain the requisite knowledge needed to do it yourself. If you value your privacy, you should be prepared to invest sufficient time, effort or cold hard cash to ensure it. If you're not prepared, then how much do you really care about your privacy?

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As for licensing vs. owning. I own my computer, my pad and my phone. What licensing agreement exists that says I consent to any downloading to my device by third or fourth parties without my permission, or turning on it's camera or speaker or mike without my knowledge or permission?
You own the hardware alone. Even then without some of the licensed embedded software the hardware won't operate as you expect (PCIe uses ASICS or FPGA'S running proprietary software, the "chip" is yours, the state machine or code is licensed, no ASIC/FPGA no PCIe, no peripheral bus, no graphics or input). All OS's are licensed Win 10, iOS, and Android, even Ubuntu Touch for devices and Linux are licensed. You own none of that, and you agreed to the terms when you skipped the EULA's. EULA- End User License Agreement, if you don't know that the EULA says they can't do something, they probably can, and may, by skipping you wrote a blank cheque to the developers payable by you. You wouldn't do that for any other goods or service, why are people so lax when it comes to their data.
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Old 04-12-2017, 11:26 PM
 
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Well how many people know that when they buy a Airplane ticket from United Airlines that they were signing a 48 page contract that favors them including expelling you ?
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