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Old 04-17-2017, 03:13 PM
 
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"Let's broaden the scope of this a little. In your opinion, is there any action or any event that might occur outside of US borders that would justify a US military response?"



Ok, that's a good example. So now let's narrow it down a little, if that's OK.

Let's say a country like Russia installed some nuclear-tipped missiles in Cuba. Would that justify a US military response?
Would we get involved if another country was getting themselves involved near our shores?

Yes, I would understand that. It's why Russia and China should run us off from over there.

 
Old 04-17-2017, 09:25 PM
 
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"Let's broaden the scope of this a little. In your opinion, is there any action or any event that might occur outside of US borders that would justify a US military response?"



Ok, that's a good example. So now let's narrow it down a little, if that's OK.

Let's say a country like Russia installed some nuclear-tipped missiles in Cuba. Would that justify a US military response?
lol Bad example. Russia putting missiles in Cuba was their military response to America having missiles in Turkey.
Americas foreign policy is the cause of Americas problems as far as foreign policy goes. You cannot kill innocents and expect people to like you.
 
Old 04-18-2017, 07:03 AM
 
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15 years in Afghanistan and we have accomplished nothing other than death and destruction. I think it's easy to point out that those who say our actions are wrong know more than the generals.
15,000 years of Afghanistan and it hasn't accomplished anything. It's a stubborn area. One mistake we may make is to assume all countries are unified as western nations are. This may not be the case in Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Iran and other places in North Africa or the Middle East. British cartographers likely did not understand the disparate groups they were bundling between borders when drawing the nations we see today.
 
Old 04-18-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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15,000 years of Afghanistan and it hasn't accomplished anything. It's a stubborn area. One mistake we may make is to assume all countries are unified as western nations are. This may not be the case in Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Iran and other places in North Africa or the Middle East. British cartographers likely did not understand the disparate groups they were bundling between borders when drawing the nations we see today.
I suspect the British understood plenty more than you give them credit for. They just didn't care, nor did they foresee the problems into the future they were germinating. All that is history now though and as screwed up as much of that meddling in the ME was then, we've really got to think about what sort of meddling is appropriate now and into the future. We've also got to better understand and appreciate the "disparate groups" that still exist in the ME today despite the national borders drawn by the British back in their day...
 
Old 04-22-2017, 06:36 AM
 
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Death toll in Afghan base attack rises to 140, officials say | Reuters

And the cycle continues.
 
Old 04-22-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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Interesting. Thank you for sharing this.
Another airstrike that killed almost 500, a few of importance to the Taliban and then they dress as Afghani soldiers to gain access to a base. It is bad over there. This just shows how bad it really is.
 
Old 04-22-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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I suspect the British understood plenty more than you give them credit for. They just didn't care, nor did they foresee the problems into the future they were germinating. All that is history now though and as screwed up as much of that meddling in the ME was then, we've really got to think about what sort of meddling is appropriate now and into the future. We've also got to better understand and appreciate the "disparate groups" that still exist in the ME today despite the national borders drawn by the British back in their day...
Imperialism doesn't work that way. Our intelligence community doesn't want a unified Middle East such as what occurred under the Caliphates of the Ottoman's, Mamluks and their predecessors...1.6 Billion Muslims united under one flag with the vast majority of the world's oil and natural gas resources is a scary thought to them.

Therefore keep them divided, insight sectarianism and deal with the terrorist groups and attacks as they come. In their eyes terrorism is a small price to pay for their greater objective and gives them a great platform to continue meddling in the region.
 
Old 04-22-2017, 02:15 PM
 
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Imperialism doesn't work that way. Our intelligence community doesn't want a unified Middle East such as what occurred under the Caliphates of the Ottoman's, Mamluks and their predecessors...1.6 Billion Muslims united under one flag with the vast majority of the world's oil and natural gas resources is a scary thought to them.

Therefore keep them divided, insight sectarianism and deal with the terrorist groups and attacks as they come. In their eyes terrorism is a small price to pay for their greater objective and gives them a great platform to continue meddling in the region.
Great point. The US doesn't want a powerful unified ME be cause it would be another threat to US power. This is also why Russia is a target, as a nation it is a threat. Break up Russia and it's not a threat anymore.
 
Old 04-22-2017, 03:26 PM
 
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Great point. The US doesn't want a powerful unified ME be cause it would be another threat to US power. This is also why Russia is a target, as a nation it is a threat. Break up Russia and it's not a threat anymore.
Absolutely. The CIA has been working very hard to inspire Chechen terrorist and separatists groups as well as Kazakh's to destabilize Russia. In China the western Chinese Uyghur, Tibetans and Taiwanese are all supported by the CIA to destabilize China as well.
 
Old 04-22-2017, 04:39 PM
 
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Great point. The US doesn't want a powerful unified ME be cause it would be another threat to US power. This is also why Russia is a target, as a nation it is a threat. Break up Russia and it's not a threat anymore.

LOL,uhhhhh no.
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