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Old 04-16-2017, 05:54 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Roofs are structural and are known to fail. And it can be devastating. Just not very likely.

Most would presume a rotating restaurant is safe. We took my mother to one on her 80th birthday with no fear and we ran her wheel chair on the turntable and it did not bite us. And we took no preparation we would have not taken in any restaurant...and that was making sure we could get to it with a wheel chair.
I will be the very first to admit that I'm not mechanically inclined.

But I can remember eating at a moving restaurant at . . Disney (maybe)? I can't remember where now. It never once occurred to me that anyone could get crushed . . . I still cannot picture how this happened.

But had I not heard of this incident - it would not be something that occurred to me when taking my child to an exiting (for a child) moving restaurant.
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Old 04-16-2017, 05:55 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Children that drown generally are unsupervised though not always. Familiar with one case when mom was sitting in a pool supervising and a kid drowned almost at her feet.
What makes you think that child was adequately supervised?

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But there is no indication whatsoever this kid at Sundial was unsupervised.
The officer said both that he was wandering around the restaurant and had lost sight of his parents. Which means they couldn't see him, either.
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Old 04-16-2017, 05:57 PM
 
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What makes you think that child was adequately supervised?

The officer said both that he was wandering around the restaurant and had lost sight of his parents. Which means they couldn't see him, either.
Same officer also said 4-5 feet away so . . . do we really know?
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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I will be the very first to admit that I'm not mechanically inclined.

But I can remember eating at a moving restaurant at . . Disney (maybe)? I can't remember where now. It never once occurred to me that anyone could get crushed . . . I still cannot picture how this happened.
See this. It becomes pretty clear what could have happened. I changed my mind over what I said earlier. That is obviously a bad design if what I said is true.

Looks like they changed the design from an earlier version of the chairs (I posted that later) where the spaces were filled in.
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:02 PM
 
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Same officer also said 4-5 feet away so . . . do we really know?
That could be when they were trying to get him out. Prior to that, the officer said the boy was wandering the restaurant and lost sight of his parents.
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:04 PM
 
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See this. It becomes pretty clear what could have happened. I changed my mind over what I said earlier. That is obviously a bad design if what I said is true.

Looks like they changed the design from an earlier version of the chairs (I posted that later) where the spaces were filled in.
So again, where did he get caught? At the window? Or behind a booth?
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:07 PM
 
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See this. It becomes pretty clear what could have happened. I changed my mind over what I said earlier. That is obviously a bad design if what I said is true.

Looks like they changed the design from an earlier version of the chairs (I posted that later) where the spaces were filled in.
Thanks for the visual. I hadn't a clue.
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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That could be when they were trying to get him out. Prior to that, the officer said the boy was wandering the restaurant and lost sight of his parents.
There is absolutely no way the officer can know that...kids with crushed skulls don't talk. And the distance from where the parents were to where this likely happened is a few feet in a virtually empty restaurant. And it had clean sight lines.

So the cop is supposing. And what he supposes is not in keeping with the configuration.
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:24 PM
 
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There is absolutely no way the officer can know that...kids with crushed skulls don't talk. And the distance from where the parents were to where this likely happened is a few feet in a virtually empty restaurant. And it had clean sight lines.

So the cop is supposing. And what he supposes is not in keeping with the configuration.
I'm sure he interviewed witnesses, and that's what they said. You know, the same people who tried to help free the boy.

I also read an article that said his parents were sitting at a window table. If the boy got stuck behind a booth, that would have been behind them somewhere and out of their sight. I'll look for a link.

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"The family was at a window seat when Holt wandered away from the table."
http://wncn.com/2017/04/16/nc-parent...ng-restaurant/
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:45 PM
 
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Again your post makes no sense. When my kids learned to swim we had no pool and the likely swimming actions would be at public beaches open and attended by all.

I would however note that a vast number of drownings occur at residential pools. So the children of owners and guests. We lose a few here each year at Lake Mead though those are majority adults and often involve alcohol or stupid adult tricks. The big number however is children in a residential pool. Public pool deaths are rare. So it is the child of the pool owner who is at risk.

Using reasonable public resources and teaching yourself learning to swim can be a very cheap to free activity. In fact it is a little shocking that it is not the poor unpooled who die...it is the children or grandchildren of pool owners.

I am still unable to buy into the drownings being in some way similar to the rotating restaurant death. I can see substantial neglect of reasonable safety precautions in the drownings. I see no call for special safety precaution in a restaurant rotating or other. And a kid can get run into by a fast moving server and get hurt or killed. Then again that can happen of a street. Thirty five years ago a kid darted into my wife and I walking fast along a public street and we both ended up going down on the kid. Nobody was hurt but it could easily have gone the other way.
For God's Sake, stop hijacking this thread. It isn't about drowning and it isn't about you.
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