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Old 04-16-2017, 10:11 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Thanks for proving that she is million times better than trump.I see you resort to name calling,Calling Hillary a"drunk bat".How do you know she is or was drunk?Please prove you accusation or it and everything else you state will be considerd a lie,thanks.
Today she's a drunk bat according to the poster - but last year it was Parkinson's. So hard to keep the story straight.

Would I prefer Hillary dealing with Korea and Syria?

The answer to that question is YES.

She sure as hell wouldn't be mean tweeting about them
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:14 AM
 
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What I've realized now is that Americas president is a world leader. I think Trump has been forced to realize this now.

Now, if I ever vote again, I will look to who will be a great president of the world, not America. Our president has been hijacked by the world to deal with the worlds conflicts. Therefore, he/she will sacrifice what our country needs if they are called to world duty. Unfortunately, this happens often.

So, as I drive over a dilapidated old bridge, ride an ancient form of public transportation, or can't find a job I will realize that we share our leader with the world and the world is a big needy place.

Our leader will be busy blowing up bridges overseas with our money and American lives, and then spending money to rebuild them. After all, he is called to do so, and what can the president of the world do but answer the calls.

I understand now that those so called world view liberals are in line with that thinking. I may never be, but I do realize the hope of making our country great relies on the president of the worlds availability and resources. Which in turn, solidifies the fact that we will continue to fall in ratings, and will continue to lose our footing as a competitive, admired country because our president is busy answering the world phone.

It must be hard to wear two hats. It's no wonder America is slowly fading as a great country.

Actually what you are seeing was inevitable and is completely natural.

Couple of things, while we won Cold war 1, it cost us trillions is was not a "free" victory. Spending 50% of every federal dollar to force the USSR into bankruptcy worked but left us with massive debt and MASSIVE POWERFUL vested interests that demand we continue this arms race even though we could have stopped decades ago.

You want a new bridge stop voting for people who want to maintain the MASSIVE military spending. (we spend 5-8 times anyone else on the planet)


Next we invented the Internet and the consequence has been a flattening of the earth, today just maybe 25 years in anyone can compete for your job. But the up side is we also lifted a few billion out of extreme poverty, so when you drive across the old bridge just feel good that some kid somewhere is learning to read , has a couple of real meals a day and the chance to live a full life. (count that as a win )

World policeman, you are completely correct we need to encourage other nations to pick up the slack. We need to stop thinking it is our job to control trade routes we need to encourage other nations to lead in both hard and soft power.

But that does not mean we should not be there to help. We need to project soft power if we wish to continue to get nations to play by the rules we made up...
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:33 AM
 
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Actually what you are seeing was inevitable and is completely natural.

Couple of things, while we won Cold war 1, it cost us trillions is was not a "free" victory. Spending 50% of every federal dollar to force the USSR into bankruptcy worked but left us with massive debt and MASSIVE POWERFUL vested interests that demand we continue this arms race even though we could have stopped decades ago.

You want a new bridge stop voting for people who want to maintain the MASSIVE military spending. (we spend 5-8 times anyone else on the planet)


Next we invented the Internet and the consequence has been a flattening of the earth, today just maybe 25 years in anyone can compete for your job. But the up side is we also lifted a few billion out of extreme poverty, so when you drive across the old bridge just feel good that some kid somewhere is learning to read , has a couple of real meals a day and the chance to live a full life. (count that as a win )

World policeman, you are completely correct we need to encourage other nations to pick up the slack. We need to stop thinking it is our job to control trade routes we need to encourage other nations to lead in both hard and soft power.

But that does not mean we should not be there to help. We need to project soft power if we wish to continue to get nations to play by the rules we made up...
We cannot support our objectives as being the worlds policemen if our military isn't funded. That would just mean death to American soldiers and quite frankly I'd pay for a life before a kids education. And, that's exactly how it's been going down lately.

America is still the world police, but the world has changed. Instead of a few super powers we have multi powers. Russia is not the threat that the Soviet Union was. China is a superpower that America is actually pretty friendly with. The U.S. enjoys exchange with Russia and China, they are hardly mortal enemies.
Communism is still around but not really expansionist nor a threat to America.

I was hoping we'd reexamine the need to act like we did in a post-Cold War world. Things aren't the same, and we in America are sliding down below the greatest countries in the world for a reason. But, at last, I think you are correct. Most people in America care more about the worlds possibilities than Americans. Meanwhile emerging top runners care more about their own. Lucky them.
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Old 04-16-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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No, most of his supporters are not so stupid that they can't pick out there own retirement vehicles.

NO NO NO.

You have clearly failed to understand.

Republicans are inherently dumb, neither are Democrats.

Both sides have very high numbers of financially unsophisticated people looking to purchase retirement products. And the people selling them are often highly sophisticated marketers of these products. They skilled at selling unsuitable products to investors who simply lack the tools, the knowledge to truly determine the quality and suitability of the product.

The fiduciary rule was intended ONLY to protect this vital sector of the market, ie retirement. It does not apply to all products, all markets.


The Republican party is stabbing the average working stiff in the back by killing this rule. And guess who hates the rule... goldman sachs.... and guess who is in the whitehouse?


I get it that you want to define Trump as a great guy, you may even identify with him or see him as some sort of anti-DC saviour. But the simple truth is "wall street" fought this rule tooth and nail because it would have legally bound them to a true fiduciary standard that would force them to put the client's interest before their own and to sell the client a protect that is in the best interest of the client.

There are literally millions of stories around the developed world where "advisors" push clients into products that are in the interest of the seller and often to the detriment of the buyer. Finance is perhaps the last big market where corps can ********* and walk away. If the dealer sold you a car that did not perform vaguely as stated you would be able to crush them in court. But if a member of goldman sachs sells you a product that has a suitable RISK profile they can bilk you freely as long as they state it in legalese. MOST poeple can't and don't understand these products fully and rely on a mix of research, ratings and trust.
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Old 04-16-2017, 01:33 PM
 
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We cannot support our objectives as being the worlds policemen if our military isn't funded. That would just mean death to American soldiers and quite frankly I'd pay for a life before a kids education. And, that's exactly how it's been going down lately.

America is still the world police, but the world has changed. Instead of a few super powers we have multi powers. Russia is not the threat that the Soviet Union was. China is a superpower that America is actually pretty friendly with. The U.S. enjoys exchange with Russia and China, they are hardly mortal enemies.
Communism is still around but not really expansionist nor a threat to America.

I was hoping we'd reexamine the need to act like we did in a post-Cold War world. Things aren't the same, and we in America are sliding down below the greatest countries in the world for a reason. But, at last, I think you are correct. Most people in America care more about the worlds possibilities than Americans. Meanwhile emerging top runners care more about their own. Lucky them.
Communism is long gone, we have a few socialist nations but nothing of note or concern.

As to our military i am sorry but you are incorrect here. We have a massive standing military that can fight multiple wars simultaneously . We simply don't need it. We could cut the budget in half and still have the biggest most powerful force in the world.

We are only the policeman if we say we are. and frankly we don't police much at all. What we do manage to do is protect our corporate interests across the globe.

What we should be doing is encouraging China to take more control of their sphere and to get the nations to start handling regional issues more actively. But the idea that Americans will die if we reduce our military spending is silly. We need only slash the size not the quality. We are an island, we have ZERO land threats , we have a navy that could defeat the combined navies of the entire planet. We simply dont need to spend 50 cents of the federal dollar on machines that kill.

And btw if you educate kids they will design IP that keeps the USA great. Or we can watch as China (with a much lower military spend) surpasses us in one market after another. If you doubt it, check the homegrown IP coming out of china these days, they are decades ahead of where we predicted just decades ago. At the rate things are going they will have the tech advantage in no time at all.

By denying 50% of our pop a real chance we are reducing our pool of real talent...think how many super smart kids end up very successfully selling drugs for a living when they could have been designing them
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Old 04-16-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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I originally supported him (more because of my utter despise for Hilary Clinton), but now not so much because he is renegating on the only two reasons I was supportive

1) trade tariff on China
2) not mess with the middle east (or anywhere) if unattacked
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Old 04-16-2017, 01:53 PM
 
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Trump changes all the time (doing 180 degrees). He does not seem to have a set of guiding principles nor strategies. In short, it seems he doesn't know what's right or wrong. Trump supporters can list why they voted for him, but 180 degree changes are on the way.
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Old 04-16-2017, 01:54 PM
 
Location: NC
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Im not doubting Trump at all.
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Old 04-16-2017, 04:10 PM
 
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NO NO NO.

You have clearly failed to understand.

Republicans are inherently dumb, neither are Democrats.

Both sides have very high numbers of financially unsophisticated people looking to purchase retirement products. And the people selling them are often highly sophisticated marketers of these products. They skilled at selling unsuitable products to investors who simply lack the tools, the knowledge to truly determine the quality and suitability of the product.

The fiduciary rule was intended ONLY to protect this vital sector of the market, ie retirement. It does not apply to all products, all markets.


The Republican party is stabbing the average working stiff in the back by killing this rule. And guess who hates the rule... goldman sachs.... and guess who is in the whitehouse?


I get it that you want to define Trump as a great guy, you may even identify with him or see him as some sort of anti-DC saviour. But the simple truth is "wall street" fought this rule tooth and nail because it would have legally bound them to a true fiduciary standard that would force them to put the client's interest before their own and to sell the client a protect that is in the best interest of the client.

There are literally millions of stories around the developed world where "advisors" push clients into products that are in the interest of the seller and often to the detriment of the buyer. Finance is perhaps the last big market where corps can ********* and walk away. If the dealer sold you a car that did not perform vaguely as stated you would be able to crush them in court. But if a member of goldman sachs sells you a product that has a suitable RISK profile they can bilk you freely as long as they state it in legalese. MOST poeple can't and don't understand these products fully and rely on a mix of research, ratings and trust.
*Raises hand* And we are very successful business people. BUT when you are talking about private offerings, we don't have time to understand everything about these. They were inappropriate for us as they are for many. Our losses, didn't affect our lifestyle nor will we lose our paid off home. And we write them off like Trump does his. Although his a MUCH larger than ours. We know folks who will never admit to being conned.

Thank you for your post. You are so right. But the group you are preaching to will NEVER get it. Its obvious, read this and many other threads. One tries to appeal to a sense of common sense, its about being 'right'. Talk to a mental health professional about the condition.

IF they still are a trump tribesman,after what has happened in his first 100 days they have an ego that will take them down before they see the reality of the monster they voted for. They need to be 'right.' Even in the face when they aren't.
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:06 PM
 
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I originally supported him (more because of my utter despise for Hilary Clinton), but now not so much because he is renegating on the only two reasons I was supportive

1) trade tariff on China
2) not mess with the middle east (or anywhere) if unattacked
You should thank god Trump let you down ref a Trade tariff with China, and furthermore if you thought it was a "good idea' i suggest you spend some very serious time considering the full and very real implications of a global trade war. It would be vastly more painful than you might believe.
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