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Old 04-18-2017, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I don't think Democrats gave up on the blue collar worker, I think the blue collar worker is just unwilling to accept that their type of jobs are no longer viable in the modern world and nobody is going to bring them back. They believed the lie that Trump would bring coal and manufacturing back, which is the only reason they voted for him instead of Democrats.


It is true that many blue collar manufacturing jobs are lost to technology but that being the ONLY reason WHY we voted for Trump is ridiculous.


The GOP wants the cheap labor and the Dems were hoping for Hillary and amnesty to follow which translates to millions of votes which meant never seeing another Republican in higher office.


What really frustrated people and drove them to vote for Trump was the perception that Dems thought more of illegal aliens than citizens.
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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I guess they expect to get the hispanic vote to make up for losing blue collar white voters.
Haha, ladies and gents I present to you a perfect example of a strawman.
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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It is true that many blue collar manufacturing jobs are lost to technology but that being the ONLY reason WHY we voted for Trump is ridiculous.


The GOP wants the cheap labor and the Dems were hoping for Hillary and amnesty to follow which translates to millions of votes which meant never seeing another Republican in higher office.


What really frustrated people and drove them to vote for Trump was the perception that Dems thought more of illegal aliens than citizens.
That's ridiculous as well. Democrats can support immigrants and citizens at the same time. You think Republicans care about citizens? What are they doing for you other than destroying your water and air quality, bombing other countries, destroying your healthcare, and giving enormous tax breaks to the filthy rich and Wall Street?

Your vote for Trump was not a rational decision. There is no question that racism and xenophobia were a major factor in why people voted for Trump. That's why he has such a huge following by White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis.
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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It is true that many blue collar manufacturing jobs are lost to technology but that being the ONLY reason WHY we voted for Trump is ridiculous.


The GOP wants the cheap labor and the Dems were hoping for Hillary and amnesty to follow which translates to millions of votes which meant never seeing another Republican in higher office.


What really frustrated people and drove them to vote for Trump was the perception that Dems thought more of illegal aliens than citizens.
Democrats are still more interested in protecting the rights of "illegal" aliens than the hard working, tax paying American. In other words, they still don't get it. What you're going to see is the typical Democrat play.... if it didn't work the first round, they'll try to do more of it.
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Your supposition here is that American manufacturing will never come back. Why is this acceptable to you?




The same people that claim manufacturing jobs have been permanently eliminated by advances in technology will also insist that we must maintain free trade deals with China and Mexico because US wages would make our products too expensive for anyone to afford.


Either the jobs exist or they don't, so the claim is self-contradictory.
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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That's ridiculous as well. Democrats can support immigrants and citizens at the same time. You think Republicans care about citizens? What are they doing for you other than destroying your water and air quality, bombing other countries, destroying your healthcare, and giving enormous tax breaks to the filthy rich and Wall Street?

Your vote for Trump was not a rational decision. There is no question that racism and xenophobia were a major factor in why people voted for Trump. That's why he has such a huge following by White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis.


You can put all the frosting on that turd you want and it'll still be a turd.




"Democrats can support immigrants and citizens at the same time."



Horse ****!



Where will the money come from?


The 0.5% who provide 2/3 of all campaign funding have already eliminated the wealthy from consideration and poor immigrants don't have any money for that.


That just leaves working Americans who are already having their wages destroyed by a greedy donor class that has demanded free trade with third-world hell holes and filled the country with foreign-born mooches.
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:35 AM
 
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And so is the Democratic Party.


https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topindivs.php




There is one guy standing with working Americans and he is now President, but don't think for a minute corporate whores on both sides of the isle wouldn't love get rid of him.
Very few Republicans are advocating for a path to citizenship but almost all Democrats are. That's the only distinction that matters on this issue.

With Trump, let's be honest; he doesn't even know what he knows. He'll do whatever people tell him to.
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Very few Republicans are advocating for a path to citizenship but almost all Democrats are. That's the only distinction that matters on this issue.

With Trump, let's be honest; he doesn't even know what he knows. He'll do whatever people tell him to.




With worker's wages stagnant for the past four decades and more and more of the wealth created by them being directed to upper management, why should we be bringing in more workers from other nations except to further drive down wages while the donor class pockets the surplus?
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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I guess they expect to get the hispanic vote to make up for losing blue collar white voters.
i dont know? Ask Trump after all he AND his kids hire low cost visa workers every year .. why? because they pay surf wages... no american could survive on the money Donnie and the offer...
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:48 AM
 
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Democrats are still more interested in protecting the rights of "illegal" aliens than the hard working, tax paying American. In other words, they still don't get it. What you're going to see is the typical Democrat play.... if it didn't work the first round, they'll try to do more of it.
Well, I do consider immigrants to be better human beings than Trump supporters, so yes I'd happily keep hard working Mexicans here and get rid of Trump voters. The latter are extremely dangerous, evil people. Immigrants are just trying to provide for their family.
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