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Old 04-19-2017, 03:20 PM
 
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It's not an EMP attack the Russians or article are referring to, it's an electronic signal jamming technology they apparently have.
the US also has signal jamming technology, as well as technology to burn through the signal jammers. both have been around for decades.

one thing to remember is that the wider the jamming band width, the easier it is to penetrate the jamming.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:34 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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must have heard Trump say it... meanwhile budget continues to rise and day by day we implode under the burden of spending more on war than education...
I'll agree that our military budget could use some work . mostly in the management area though. As to education, I personally think the feds need to leave education budgeting to the states. Our military is no place to slash budgets. We have a necessarily high tech force. That requires money to maintain. I also believe our high tech can be augmented quite well with lower tech. We don't need every war plane to be a B2. The Air Force by itself consumes a very high percentage of the entire budget.

Programs like the F35 JSF are a good example. It's been boondoggle. Things like EMP are not bad places to spend money, nor are avionics upgrades and advanced weapons of other types. But platforms for such tech have just eaten unnecessary amounts of money. An A4 Skyhawk can be upgraded and made as much or more effective as an F22. More effective because it takes a LOT less to keep an A4 in the air. A billion buck plane is worth zero if it's grounded with no spare parts to keep it flying. If two aircraft out of an entire squadron are all that can fly because the rest have been stripped for parts what good is all that high tech? But it sure is a fancy airframe.

I think, and call me silly if you will, that 4 A4s actually in the air is worth more than two full airwings of grounded F35s. But this is how our military is operating. If it can be called operating. But I'm not in a position to cram some common sense into the Joint Chiefs. We need a strong military. Without one all the money in the world spent on education won't matter. We'll all be getting reeducated and speaking Chinese. The money spent on our military just needs to be used much more wisely. If we're going to slash some budgets and reallocate funds, foreign aid would be a better place to start than the military.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:36 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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NOT flying over Alaska. Flying in international airspace.
What? Only Trump can play games?
And something they've been doing for well over 50 years. I agree, it's silly to believe we have some exclusive right to play these games.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:39 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I think what they are trying to say is that we killed OBL, we protected the US from any major attacks, and we increased our standing and level of respect on the world stage over the last eight years. In doing so, it's really hard now for the military to justify spending so much more for a risk that we have now demonstrated that a competent Commander in Chief can manage.

In that sense, I agree.

Sadly, the military machine just elected someone (Trump) who will make it necessary to invest in defense again. The games continue....

Defense is what we should be investing in, NOT nation building, NOT policing the world, but the defense of our own country.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:43 PM
 
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Is this true, or do you think they are just bluffing? Apparently they already used this technology on one of our destroyers in the Black Sea and totally disabled it, leaving it helpless in the sea. If this article is true, we are toast.
For two days their bombers have been flying over Alaska.

What's going on?

Russia claims it can wipe out US Navy with single 'electronic bomb' | Fox News

Read this book. It is a work of fiction but it is based on facts. Also , google EMP and read up. It is a far scarier threat than you might realize.
One Second After by William R. Forstchen
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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A claim.

Our warships are hardened against an EMP assault.

Not concerned.

Perhaps you should call Washington and tell them to relay your message to the "Donald Cook" and crew.


As the Russian jet approached the US vessel, the electronic device disabled all radars, control circuits, systems, information transmission, etc. on board the US destroyer. In other words, the all-powerful Aegis system, now hooked up - or about to be - with the defense systems installed on NATO’s most modern ships was shut down, as turning off the TV set with the remote control.
The Russian Su-24 then simulated a missile attack against the USS Donald Cook, which was left literally deaf and blind. As if carrying out a training exercise, the Russian aircraft - unarmed - repeated the same maneuver 12 times before flying away.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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If the Russians possess the technology to 'render planes, ships, and missiles useless', then I must ask how is it that 59 U.S. cruise missiles managed to get through to a Syrian air field that was under Russian protection?


Easy one. The Russians where no where near the Launch sites, nor would they attack American ships or bases without being attacked. They aren't stupid. They are not going to start a war because of Assad or Syria. That doesn't mean they can't disable our systems on ships.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Advanced microchip manufacturing is so difficult and expensive,here are only four companies:

Intel – Santa Clara California
Samsung – South Korea
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing (TSMC) – Taiwan, Republic of China
GlobalFoundries – Santa Clara California

You do not see Russia, Mainland China or anyone else in the mix.

Basically, the USA or countries extremely friendly to the USA make them....period.

So .... guess what ... ANY electronics used in the world, military or otherwise, has a high probability of passing through a 'Americanized' hands.

I'll let your scientific mind ponder on that when some foreign country try's to assault the US when the US probably helped make the brains of what ever is assaulting.

That's funny. You act as if Russia is still fighting with spears and stone axes. Have you had a good look at their warfare systems? Pretty impressive to me. To think that they don't have the "Minds" to make a Advanced Microchip is pure naïve.
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Old 04-19-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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There are systems that can direct high energy EMP pulses. There are also systems to counter it.
Page 206-directed muon beam weapon, especially if used with a electron beam.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0409157.pdf

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Old 04-19-2017, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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I was in the Navy and I know the lengths the Navy goes to harden our ships.

Do you?

You where not in the Russian Military, so you have no clue as to what lengths they have gone to in finding a soft spot in that hardening. Of course the Navy and Washington would not want you to know if, in fact, the Russians could render a ship a sitting duck in the water.
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