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Old 04-20-2017, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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I have plenty of thought on the subject which has left me with zero tolerance because I've seen the results of these pro-drug policies.
I've been interested in the world of psychedelics, dissociatives, cannabinoids, and empathogens for two decades, and a member of Bluelight, Shroomery, DMT Nexus, Drugs-Forum, Erowid, Reddit Psychonaut, and others for as long as those have been around, and you and I seem to have come to conclusions about these that are the antithesis of each other.
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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...but the overall drug addict mentality is the same in the end...
See, I abhor this type of knee-jerk broad brush. Shades of notmeofficer. Just labeling every exogenous molecule a "drug" and then calling drugs "bad" is not very impressive.

There are only two things I love in this world: Dopamine and Serotonin
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:40 AM
 
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There are no benefits except to public funds that are often pilfered away.
You are DEFINITELY one of the most ignorant and closed minded posters on this subject EVER. Some REAL research links have been posted here for you. If you cared about appearing (and being) so ignorant on this subject you would do some learning. But this particular subject sets you off (as it does many prohibitionists) in such a way that it completely shuts your mind off from reality.

When you have upwards of 70% of the population in agreement that cannabis should be legalized, and about that same percentage of replies to your posts that are trying to tell you how out of touch you are, don't you think it's time to consider reevaluating your viewpoint? Don't you think it's even remotely possible that this is not a case where you're right and the rest of the world is wrong?
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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But that doesn't mean pot is harmless and should be legal.
Why do you want to invest so much power in the state to hold sovereign individuals as mere subjects who can be controlled as to what they do with their own minds and own bodies?
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Or "shrooms" or whatever drug they think up next.
Psilocybin may have been used by humans as far back as 10,000 years ago. Some think it goes much further back then that, back to pre-civilization early humans.

But as to the "whatever drug they think up next" -- so you're saying you don't know what it is, don't know what it does, don't know the range of neuro/psycho/pharmacological effects of it... yet you know it is bad, already, just by your labeling it a "drug?" I find that attitude absolutist and anti-intellectual.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:08 AM
 
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I consider myself an expert on cannabis and why it became and still is illegal. However, I know nothing about mushrooms.

I know I could go research it, but as with most subjects, I would have to spend considerable time sifting through the results in order to separate the facts from the propaganda. I would rather ask one of the experts here why psilocybin was made illegal in the first place?
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Just outside of Portland
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Those little mushrooms grow wild in my back yard.

They are popping up all over right now.

Yes, I am in Portland, Oregin.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:27 AM
 
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Those little mushrooms grow wild in my back yard.

They are popping up all over right now.

Yes, I am in Portland, Oregin.
LOL. Make sure you know what you are eating if you try one. We also have several varieties of truly lethal mushrooms in the area that look innocuous.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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The US was never a land of freedom and liberty and independence, unless you were part of the wealthy elite.

The American history we were taught in school is bunk. But that's a whole different topic.
True. This post belongs in the I'm not Howard Zinn but I Play Him on the Internet thread.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:53 AM
 
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However for the legalize everything crowd. No. Meth needs to stay right where it is. Its one of the few I disagree about.
Why? I have never done meth, and am about as anti-meth as anyone else. But since prohibition failed completely for alcohol and is failing miserably for cannabis, what makes you think it works for any other drug, including meth?

If someone is on meth, they have some pretty big problems to deal with. I can't see how throwing them in jail helps them, but I can see many different ways that it could harm them.
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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I know I could go research it, but as with most subjects, I would have to spend considerable time sifting through the results in order to separate the facts from the propaganda. I would rather ask one of the experts here why psilocybin was made illegal in the first place?
The simple answer:
  • no established medical use
  • small potential for abuse
You know the drill with these two criteria. There are parallels with cannabis.
  • For a long time the law claiming there was no medical value was the very law preventing medical research from being done. In recent years some organizations have been able to conduct clinical research.
  • As far as abuse, well yah -- there are a few irresponsible idiots in a free society who will use something without regard for its effects, without considering mindset and the setting, without care for others, and without reasonable moderation. I don't think that means no one can ever be trusted, but obviously some people do.
In a general sense, I strongly believe McKenna stated the truth of the situation when he said:
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“Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behaviour and information processing. They open you up to the possibility that everything you know is wrong.”
Selling and buying spore kits and cultivation systems is only illegal in three states (California is one of those three). I've known two people who cultivated their own.

Fear mongers want it illegal. Some of it is the culture war. They don't like the *people* who enjoy visionary states, and psilocybin has symbolic value, so this is a way for authoritarian statists to self-righteously punish non-conformity.

It's ironic that some Christian Conservatives are very against it, since in a few notable studies participants have rated their psilocybin trip as one of the most or the most religious experience of their lives. What people don't get is the changes that occur are still YOU -- they're better you. It's integrated into who you are, it's a personal thing, not something being inflicted on you (I use room-scale virtual reality and have demoed it for a lot of people and it's the same thing -- many people are very skeptical but once they're inside the VR area it is THEIR space, it is their PERSONAL world and they take ownership and nearly always love it).

End the Ban on Psychoactive Drug Research (Scientific American Article)

Neurons to Nirvana: Understanding Psychedelic Medicines (Amazon Prime Video)

I personally use 4-AcO-DMT (or analogues such as 4-HO-MiPT and 4-AcO-MET). Similar effects, with pretty much no potential for any ill body effects. Easier to obtain. Easier to store. Easy to measure precise dosage using a sub-milligram scale. Easy to take. Easier on the stomach. And not in the same legal status. Last time was 1.1.17. Perfect way to ring in the new year.

(NOTE: 4-AcO-DMT is a specific type of molecule; there are other molecules I would never use myself and would advise extreme caution toward, such as 25i-NBOMe, which can have serious side effects and which is much harder to measure since it's active at much lower dosages -- in the 1/4th of one milligram range.)

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