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Old 04-20-2017, 02:21 AM
 
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Doesn't it seem ridiculous that in a "justice" system a great deal of it can depend on just how "good" of a lawyer or army of lawyers one has? Honestly, in a real legitimate justice system wouldn't it be far more fair if it was mandated that regardless of how rich or poor you are you both end up with the same lawyer?

Such as whether you are a very poor person or a very rich person you both just get a public defender and that's it? I know it is idealistic but it is all kinds of scummy how one can "buy" justice.
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Old 04-20-2017, 03:28 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Doesn't it seem ridiculous that in a "justice" system a great deal of it can depend on just how "good" of a lawyer or army of lawyers one has? Honestly, in a real legitimate justice system wouldn't it be far more fair if it was mandated that regardless of how rich or poor you are you both end up with the same lawyer?

Such as whether you are a very poor person or a very rich person you both just get a public defender and that's it? I know it is idealistic but it is all kinds of scummy how one can "buy" justice.
Rich or famous people are our "royalty". So they have the privilege that goes with it. The common peasants are only good for doing the hard work and coming in a distant second in legal and human-rights. Like fools, most of them play along with what is being done to them. Living in any large society, requires a mental disorder, that is ingrained from birth, to tolerate this.

Those who step outside the boundaries mandated by this, are regarded as troublemakers. The rich people flourish on this and have exploited it to the fullest. The army of lawyers at their disposal, will use every means to sustain it, so their share of the spoils will allow them to become part of the royal class, themselves.
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Old 04-20-2017, 03:42 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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Doesn't it seem ridiculous that in a "justice" system a great deal of it can depend on just how "good" of a lawyer or army of lawyers one has? Honestly, in a real legitimate justice system wouldn't it be far more fair if it was mandated that regardless of how rich or poor you are you both end up with the same lawyer?

Such as whether you are a very poor person or a very rich person you both just get a public defender and that's it? I know it is idealistic but it is all kinds of scummy how one can "buy" justice.
I think the onus should be on improving the public defenders system and raising standards and pay for Public Defenders rather than taking away choice.

It also should be noted that in Civil Cases, there is usually no right to state legal representation and those without significant finances are left with no representation at all.
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:03 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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There are law firms that take cases of people who cannot afford to hire an attorney. ACLJ is one, and there are others as well.
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:13 AM
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There are law firms that take cases of people who cannot afford to hire an attorney. ACLJ is one, and there are others as well.
It's mainly Ambulance Chasing Lawyers who work on a no win no fee basis in cases of negligence and damages relating to civil litigation cases.
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:43 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Doesn't it seem ridiculous that in a "justice" system a great deal of it can depend on just how "good" of a lawyer or army of lawyers one has? Honestly, in a real legitimate justice system wouldn't it be far more fair if it was mandated that regardless of how rich or poor you are you both end up with the same lawyer?

Such as whether you are a very poor person or a very rich person you both just get a public defender and that's it? I know it is idealistic but it is all kinds of scummy how one can "buy" justice.
That's funny. Dumbing down the legal system! Everyone gets equally bad service as a pretense for another "right".
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:45 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Rich or famous people are our "royalty". So they have the privilege that goes with it. The common peasants are only good for doing the hard work and coming in a distant second in legal and human-rights. Like fools, most of them play along with what is being done to them. Living in any large society, requires a mental disorder, that is ingrained from birth, to tolerate this.

Those who step outside the boundaries mandated by this, are regarded as troublemakers. The rich people flourish on this and have exploited it to the fullest. The army of lawyers at their disposal, will use every means to sustain it, so their share of the spoils will allow them to become part of the royal class, themselves.
Any bitterness in your life?
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:45 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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It's mainly Ambulance Chasing Lawyers who work on a no win no fee basis in cases of negligence and damages relating to civil litigation cases.
There are a lot of good law firms for people without a lot of money. I mentioned ACLJ. That is only one, and Jay Sekulow is one of the best there is. John Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute is another. This is because there are attorneys out there who are sincerely interested in justice, and they make it their business to promote law and justice. They rely on donations, and they are skilled attorneys with Supreme Court litigation experience. They have taken on the "establishment" and won numerous important cases. One recent victory was Cathrine Englebrecht's "True the Vote" case against the IRS.
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Doesn't it seem ridiculous that in a "justice" system a great deal of it can depend on just how "good" of a lawyer or army of lawyers one has? Honestly, in a real legitimate justice system wouldn't it be far more fair if it was mandated that regardless of how rich or poor you are you both end up with the same lawyer?

Such as whether you are a very poor person or a very rich person you both just get a public defender and that's it? I know it is idealistic but it is all kinds of scummy how one can "buy" justice.
Let me guess, your solution will be to steal money from the public to pay for good lawyers or force people to do things that they don't want to do.
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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"Such as whether you are a very poor person or a very rich person you both just get a public defender and that's it? "

So, you're proposing ObamaLaw? I wonder if that would work as well as Obamacare did.
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