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Old 04-22-2017, 12:36 PM
 
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This New Deal agenda is the agenda of Franklin D Roosevelt, the most popular American president in the last 100 years. These policies are also common among all our closest allies in the developed world.

Venezuela is a deeply corrupt third world oligarchy. It has been that way for many decades. This type of third world society with a tiny super rich elite and the masses living in poverty with lots of social problems and crime is the direction the Republicans (and some Democrats) would like to see us go in.
So what makes you think that the U.S. won't also become the corrupt super rich elite and the poverty masses? The elitists are already corrupt and it will breed more corruption. You put a lot of "faith" in people who would hold a lot of power over the people.
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:45 PM
 
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So tell me.

For those of you that live in the "rustbelt" and are open to vote for democrats. What type of platform would you like to see the from the democrats/Democratic Party going forward? Please be as specific and detail as possible.
The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.

I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.”
― Norman Mattoon Thomas

-- Bernie Sanders
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:51 PM
 
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Honestly?

Pretty much everything trump ran on.
For the most part this is true when it comes to job outsourcing, illegal immigration, rebuilding american infrastructure, bringing back american manufacturing , border security ,america first trade deals, enough with multiculturalism and much more hard line on all types of immigration and refugees, visas , and etc.

Alot of far right parties in europe understand this and they actually are quite liberal on many social issues.

The democrats were more worried about black lives matter and thugs than lost jobs and out sourcing, more outraged by lack of transgender bathrooms than a decaying infrastructure, screaming about the racism of deplorables than about the lost wages and enormous costs and social problems caused by illegal immigration, they love every feminist,gay ,minority multicultural etc issue out there than anything about a declining middle class and class issues.

Look at so many of the leaders of the democrats , it is bi-coastal flakes like s.f. feinstein and nyc shumer. They were trying to argue over who should be head of the dnc , a far left black muslim or a far left latino! The democrats need to realize the browning of america is a long ways off , even if it ever happens, and start getting more white middle america voters
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:51 PM
 
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Seriously? History shows that this thread will just go into a mocking, name calling and denial thread since you won't like what we say. So should I stay silent and continue to speak with my vote.

You refused to listen then, why now?
well be honest with yourself, what exactly did you think either side could or would do for you?

sure you might be angry but why and with who?


Obama saved the car manufacturers and you guys now lie and pretend the Dems offered you nothing. Obama made education loans easier., put in place very cheap remortgaging to assist lower income people who were losing homes. Obama setup the ACA exactly to help people struggling.

did you vote to continue that with Clinton? Nope, then why should we care about you guys, If saving your jobs and the factories that support them was not enough i don't know what would be.

NOBODY DUCKING NOBODY, protected my 99% losses on banking stocks i held. Instead i was cast as fat cat who has to take the abuse at both ends.

Who made me whole? Who stepped in protected my hundreds of thousands in losses.?

NOBODY. But i did not cry like a baby and support a populist just because i was too wealthy to get help from the gov and too small to be worth saving?

Honestly the whining and crying from the Rustbelt makes me glad to see Trump turn on them so quickly. You guys act like you were the only ones who felt pain due to BUSH'S great recession.

HOW THE duck to you blame the DEMS for Bush destroying millions of jobs, crashing every market and starting two wars that we are still stuck with today.

I say shame on the Rustbelt, shame on working class whites who went with soundbites xenophobia anti "elites"...
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:58 PM
 
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So what makes you think that the U.S. won't also become the corrupt super rich elite and the poverty masses? The elitists are already corrupt and it will breed more corruption. You put a lot of "faith" in people who would hold a lot of power over the people.
Venezuela didnt suddenly become a corrupt third world oligarchy 10 or 15 years ago. Its been like that for many decades regardless of what the politician in power call themselves, same with Mexico and other countries.

America is a developed country similar to other western countries. The New Deal agenda of FDR didnt suddenly turn America into a third world corrupt oligarchy. This is just scare mongering and propaganda.
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Old 04-22-2017, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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CBO estimates such an increase would result in hundreds of thousands of low-end job cuts as businesses get rid of less effective workers and automate more.

Given COL varies by about 3-1 in this country from high to low, that one-size fits all approach makes no sense.

Picture this. Peg the minimum to $15 but then scale it up for COL so that NYC and San Fran min wage is more like $40/hr. What do you think about that?
That is the future no matter what the minimum wage is, as you well know.

As you also know, had the minimum wage kept up with inflation, it would now be over $20/hour.

I don't know what is to happen with the people who now work at minimum wage (or just above minimum wage) most of their lives, it's a huge problem. I don't see Rs even admitting that this will be a problem in the not-too-distant future. While I think that greater accessibility to higher education is part of the solution, it certainly isn't the complete solution.

Now I do agree with you that rather than a set minimum wage, a regional living wage would be a better approach, but I don't think it is politically achievable, because it would be administratively more cumbersome to implement.
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Old 04-22-2017, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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I support s more progressive platform which favors the working class over corporations. You know, the way Democrats used to be. I'm an Ohio Democrat in the spirit of Howard Metzenbaum, Dennis Kucinich, Sherrod Brown, etc.
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Old 04-22-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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I say shame on the Rustbelt, shame on working class whites who went with soundbites xenophobia anti "elites"...
Yeah, all right man, we went with xenophobia. Promising to ignore our immigration laws isn't really an effective election strategy. You can bellyache about it all you want, but that's how it's going to be.
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Old 04-22-2017, 01:37 PM
 
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That is the future no matter what the minimum wage is, as you well know.

As you also know, had the minimum wage kept up with inflation, it would now be over $20/hour.

I don't know what is to happen with the people who now work at minimum wage (or just above minimum wage) most of their lives, it's a huge problem. I don't see Rs even admitting that this will be a problem in the not-too-distant future. While I think that greater accessibility to higher education is part of the solution, it certainly isn't the complete solution.

Now I do agree with you that rather than a set minimum wage, a regional living wage would be a better approach, but I don't think it is politically achievable, because it would be administratively more cumbersome to implement.
I've never heard of it being >$20....or anywhere near that when adjusted. I'm typically finding <$11 in a search.

http://massbudget.org/reports/images...WageWorth2.png

Can you source your >$20 number?
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Old 04-22-2017, 01:42 PM
 
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I say shame on the Rustbelt, shame on working class whites who went with soundbites xenophobia anti "elites"...
Riiiiight. Blame those former mostly democratic voters for trying *anybody* else besides the party that has been lying to them for the last 20 years.

Also, characterizing getting your income RAPED and complaining about it as xenophobia is a steaming pile of identity politics aimed ironically at a whole bunch of people that voted for Obama.

Dear lord, I know people whose jobs went to Mexico and they're not doing well financially. But oooooh, if they dare stop voting Democrat after Hillary supported NAFTA and TPP....they're suddenly racist? Wow.
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