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Old 04-22-2017, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I was kind of surprised to see the L.A Times publish such an article .

Construction jobs used to be good paying jobs but not as much anymore .


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Construction workers in L.A. make less now than 40 years ago. Here’s why - Los Angeles Times

 
Old 04-22-2017, 01:46 PM
 
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Who hired them since everyone is so anti political correctness around here. What do their bosses look like. Let's keep it real like everyone does when talking about crime statistics, SAT scores, and prison population.

Furthermore, how many of their construction bosses voted for Trump!
 
Old 04-22-2017, 01:54 PM
 
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Who hired them since everyone is so anti political correctness around here. What do their bosses look like. Let's keep it real like everyone does when talking about crime statistics, SAT scores, and prison population.

Furthermore, how many of their construction bosses voted for Trump!
Yep. Just think, if there was no one to hire them, they wouldn't be here. What a radical concept!

What say you, OP? Do you believe Trump should go after the businesses who are hiring these immigrant construction workers because they don't have to pay them as much?

You do realize the reason they don't pay much anymore has nothing to do with immigrant labor and more to do with how the industry broke the labor unions, which ushered in the lower paid immigrants, right? From the article:

"Immigrants are not the cause of this, they are the effect,” said Ruth Milkman, a sociologist who has studied the history of construction in Southern California. “The sequence of events is that the de-unionization and the accompanying deterioration of the jobs come first, before immigrants.”

So you're against union busting because it lowers the wages of American workers and opens the door for immigrants to take those jobs, right?

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Old 04-22-2017, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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The article says the cause was moving to non-union labor.

"But for more than a decade before immigrants flooded the market, contractors and their corporate clients were pushing to undercut construction wages by shunning union labor.
... Today slightly more than 1 in 10 construction workers are in a union, compared with 4 in 10 in the 1970s.
...“Immigrants are not the cause of this, they are the effect,” said Ruth Milkman, a sociologist who has studied the history of construction in Southern California. “The sequence of events is that the de-unionization and the accompanying deterioration of the jobs come first, before immigrants.”"
 
Old 04-22-2017, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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The article says the cause was moving to non-union labor.

"But for more than a decade before immigrants flooded the market, contractors and their corporate clients were pushing to undercut construction wages by shunning union labor.
... Today slightly more than 1 in 10 construction workers are in a union, compared with 4 in 10 in the 1970s.
...“Immigrants are not the cause of this, they are the effect,” said Ruth Milkman, a sociologist who has studied the history of construction in Southern California. “The sequence of events is that the de-unionization and the accompanying deterioration of the jobs come first, before immigrants.”"
Well it's L.A times so of course they'll put their leftist spin on it .
If they weren't in the country in the first place the contractors would have to hire Americans
 
Old 04-22-2017, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The article says the cause was moving to non-union labor.

"But for more than a decade before immigrants flooded the market, contractors and their corporate clients were pushing to undercut construction wages by shunning union labor.
... Today slightly more than 1 in 10 construction workers are in a union, compared with 4 in 10 in the 1970s.
...“Immigrants are not the cause of this, they are the effect,” said Ruth Milkman, a sociologist who has studied the history of construction in Southern California. “The sequence of events is that the de-unionization and the accompanying deterioration of the jobs come first, before immigrants.”"
Yes, says Ruth the sociologist.

An economist would tell ya that if ya increase the supply of any good the price goes down
 
Old 04-22-2017, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Who hired them since everyone is so anti political correctness around here. What do their bosses look like. Let's keep it real like everyone does when talking about crime statistics, SAT scores, and prison population.

Furthermore, how many of their construction bosses voted for Trump!
Unless California is different than Texas the sub-contractor usually looks a lot like them. Speaks Spanish too.
 
Old 04-22-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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What is the effect in right to work states?

Texas has never had strong unions involved in residential construction. Bet our builders employ as many illegals as California.

In my experience, Texas home builders have been using illegals since the 70s.
 
Old 04-22-2017, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I was kind of surprised to see the L.A Times publish such an article .

Construction jobs used to be good paying jobs but not as much anymore .


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Construction workers in L.A. make less now than 40 years ago. Here’s why - Los Angeles Times
I was a contractor and shop owner for 30 years. We bonded and licensed tradesmen have been complaining about wage suppression and unfair competition for decades. I finally had to shutter my shop and with it went 7-8 jobs. I gave it my best shot, but I couldn't compete with crews that had little overhead.
 
Old 04-22-2017, 02:33 PM
 
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Well it's L.A times so of course they'll put their leftist spin on it .
If they weren't in the country in the first place the contractors would have to hire Americans
They created the void because they wanted lower wage workers. If they didn't try to cut out the unions there wouldn't be a thriving immigrant population taking these jobs. See how that works?
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