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Old 04-23-2017, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Trump was the worst of all the Republican candidates but he was still better than any Democrat due to one thing; the United States Supreme Court. One more liberal judge and the 2nd amendment would have been history and the First Amendment would have been severely harmed.
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Old 04-23-2017, 09:35 AM
 
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Like a true leader, he will blame others.
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Old 04-23-2017, 10:22 AM
 
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You never once discussed policy. it's always about policy.

You lost, get over it.
Well lets talk policy? (i doubt you will)

Trump has failed to provide much policy beyond shouty word noises. We get one or two


Can you link to actual policy plans or guides provided by Trump to congress.

His budget is not real nor workable, it is not a serious effort to provide guidance as it is not workable or passable. He may as well have requested an 80 mile wheel of cheese.

Trump talks with shouty vague noises but provides no clear policy on anything. What is the actual policy ref Syria, Iraq...

There is virtually no real economic policy, no international policy etc. Trump spoke of a vague healthcare policy we would all love, but failed to provide congress with a guideline a framework for them to work with.

Instead of policy Trump just kicked healthcare to Ryan who made up his own POLICY on healthcare and Trump just "went with it"...

so lets talk policy, will You? Or will you just pretend nobody wants to talk policy cause you know if you do it will make you face the stark reality that trump is simply winging it.
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Old 04-23-2017, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Fl
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Pence is far worse IMO but this shows the problem. You have to provide an alternative. "He's a jerk" isn't going to win you elections.

As he has done nothing that rises to impeachment it just makes you look bitter. Bitter is not going to win elections either or Hillary would have won.
Wowza! I can't believe that I agree with pknopp.

So here's the alternative. Vote in a democratic congress in 2018.

Newsflash - the repubs aren't going to save us non-billionaires money. The core repubs hurt themselves laughing at their non-core voters, but no worries, they can afford healthcare.

I can imagine replies here. "Government wastes money" Well, then fix that. "Norquist is right" no, Norquist is an idiot or a devil.
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Old 04-23-2017, 10:48 AM
 
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By now its apparent to most folks that president Trump has some issues. Public Policy Polling (PPP) just released some new results that should make those on the right realize that whats occurring in this presidency is not normal.

Source:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...onal_33017.pdf

Some highlights:
61% think he should release his taxes
60% think Russia wanted him to win
44% think members of his team worked with Russia
53% trust Obama more then Trump

44% support impeaching Trump vs 45% who oppose
11% are unsure.

If the candidate for president next time were Trump vs Sanders who would you vote for?52% Sanders, 41% Trump, 7% unsure. Similar question with Biden has 54% going for Biden. Similar question with Warren has 48% going for Warren vs 43% Trump.

This presidency is not going well. This is not even remotely normal.
The devil is ALWAYS in the details.

1st, they only polled 677 people. Many say you have to poll at least 1,000 to get any accuracy.

2nd, WHO did they poll?

If you scroll down, you will find the ideology of the those polled and you will find more LIBERALS the conservatives.

I think that taints the results a LOT.

Note. they NEVER tell the actual numbers of those polled.

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Old 04-23-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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Wowza! I can't believe that I agree with pknopp.

So here's the alternative. Vote in a democratic congress in 2018.
Why? What exactly did they do when they had Congress?

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Newsflash - the repubs aren't going to save us non-billionaires money. The core repubs hurt themselves laughing at their non-core voters, but no worries, they can afford healthcare.

I can imagine replies here. "Government wastes money" Well, then fix that. "Norquist is right" no, Norquist is an idiot or a devil.
No, they aren't but Wall Street boomed under Obama and his policies. Where is the alternative?
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Old 04-23-2017, 10:54 AM
 
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As I said, there is nothing liberals want more than for President Trump to fail even if it hurts the American people.
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Old 04-23-2017, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Fl
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Why? What exactly did they do when they had Congress?



No, they aren't but Wall Street boomed under Obama and his policies. Where is the alternative?
Elizabeth Warren. She's fighting the good fight. Please don't do the pocahontas trumpian name calling thing.

BTW, the democratic congress took our first wobbly step towards civilized healthcare. Rough edges, sure, but they didn't know that Ted Kennedy would die and that Massachusetts would elect a brain-dead republican playgirl bunny.
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Old 04-23-2017, 11:04 AM
 
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Well lets talk policy? ...

Trump has failed to provide much policy beyond shouty word noises. ...

His budget is not real nor workable, it is not a serious effort to provide guidance as it is not workable or passable. He may as well have requested an 80 mile wheel of cheese.

Trump talks with shouty vague noises but provides no clear policy on anything. What is the actual policy ref Syria, Iraq...

There is virtually no real economic policy, no international policy etc. Trump spoke of a vague healthcare policy we would all love, but failed to provide congress with a guideline a framework for them to work with.

Instead of policy Trump just kicked healthcare to Ryan who made up his own POLICY on healthcare and Trump just "went with it"...

so lets talk policy, will You? Or will you just pretend nobody wants to talk policy cause you know if you do it will make you face the stark reality that trump is simply winging it.
Winging it?

OMG, that has got to be the understatement of the the week and it's only Sunday.

So are we tight with NATO or not?

Are we the world's police or not?

Will all of us be getting good health insurance or only some of us?

What about the tax breaks, who gets those?
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Old 04-23-2017, 11:12 AM
 
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Wing and a prayer comes to mind as well.
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