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Thank you. Those are not statues of American heroes. Those are traitors. The CSA is vanquished and a traitor to America. The desire to keep slavery was a major reason the CSA wanted existence.
There are so many layers to the Civil War. Most people do not even begin to understand it. It was truly brother against brother. Confederate and Union troops were friends before, during and after the war. For most of those that died it was about adventure and states rights. For the southern rich, slavery was a big issue but it was a relatively small percentage. Like every other major national event, follow the money.
When it was over, brothers and friends reunited. Animosity was largely forgotten and hero's on both sides were celebrated. At the same time, a way of life in the south changed forever. Obviously for the better but at a terrible cost to both sides. In some ways it it still being reconciled but generally because of ignorance.
So we should remove ALL statues,references to Washington,Jefferson etc etc? They were traitors as well.
They were considered traitors IN BRITAIN. They probably don't have many statues of them over there. Why would they?
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That's your opinion. They can remove our history from public view but our children will learn it either way.
I have no objection to children learning history. I think they should. But, as I said, there is a difference between teaching history and revering people who played a bad role in it. Or, if you prefer, I could just say, well, yes, it's my opinion, and what you just said is yours.
Robert E. Lee graduated from West Point and took an oath on his honor to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.
Turns out that his loyalty was actually to the slave owners of the Confederate States of America. Who knew?
Why southerners sided with slave-owners when slave labor undercut their own wages is a mystery.
But it is no mystery that having statues around of Robert E. Lee, Benedict Arnold, Aaron Burr, etc. serves little useful purpose in meeting national goals.
Plus, statues celebrating how it's a shame we can't still have black slaves are flat rude to a lot of people.
It's been over 150 years and many of the spiritual, if not actual descendants, of those who worked to undermine the republic then, are trying to do it again. Only this time with gerrymandered voting districts, purged voting roles, voter suppression, Russian-hacked emails, and baseless conspiracy tales in coordination with what increasingly looks like Russian agents.
Robert E. Lee graduated from West Point and took an oath on his honor to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.
Turns out that his loyalty was actually to the slave owners of the Confederate States of America. Who knew?
Why southerners sided with slave-owners when slave labor undercut their own wages is a mystery.
But it is no mystery that having statues around of Robert E. Lee, Benedict Arnold, Aaron Burr, etc. serves little useful purpose in meeting national goals.
Plus, statues celebrating how it's a shame we can't still have black slaves are flat rude to a lot of people.
It's been over 150 years and many of the spiritual, if not actual descendants, of those who worked to undermine the republic then, are trying to do it again. Only this time with gerrymandered voting districts, purged voting roles, voter suppression, Russian-hacked emails, and baseless conspiracy tales in coordination with what increasingly looks like Russian agents.
This is no time to celebrate traitors.
You have little idea about the mindset of people of the time. States rights were a strong motivator. Many people considered their state their country. Lee struggled with his decision. It was only when Virginia left the union that Lee felt he could not fight against his county of Virginia. Many felt the same about their states. North Carolina only left the union when it was required to take up arms against South Carolina.
Southerners were honorable people standing up for their rights as they saw it at the time. The people that lived through it on both sides learned to live with the changes afterwards. They had always lived together and they continued to do so.
It is only modern day revisionists of history that are trying to twist something they know or understand very little about into something more vile than it was.
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Did any of the people in this thread who are against the removal of the statues give two ****s about them before they were in the news? Were they an important part of your daily lives? Will your quality of life be lowered by their removal?
There has been so much revision-ism and warped ideas about the Civil War that no one has a real understanding of it. Putting the statues up in the first place was a bad idea. They were not heroes and stood against what the nation stands for. The current generation could care less about the confederate cause or their generals. It's only the nostalgic simpletons that put any value on this stuff. Give them a Jefferson Davis bobble-head. Taking down a statue is not erasing history.
You have little idea about the mindset of people of the time. States rights were a strong motivator. Many people considered their state their country. Lee struggled with his decision. It was only when Virginia left the union that Lee felt he could not fight against his county of Virginia. Many felt the same about their states. North Carolina only left the union when it was required to take up arms against South Carolina.
Southerners were honorable people standing up for their rights as they saw it at the time. The people that lived through it on both sides learned to live with the changes afterwards. They had always lived together and they continued to do so.
It is only modern day revisionists of history that are trying to twist something they know or understand very little about into something more vile than it was.
How could anything be more vile than one group of people believing they had the right to OWN another?
Plus, honestly? I am sick to death of hearing about "states rights." A state exists for its people. How can something that exists to protect its people claim the right to enslave any of them?
As for the "mindset of the people of the time," were you there? And of whose mindset do you speak? Certainly not that of men and women who were treated as property.
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