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Old 04-24-2017, 08:33 PM
 
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OK where to start. First lets get this out of the way. The nuclear weapons should concern us. But we haven't seen them attached to a delivery vehicle yet. And even then its entirely possible they can be intercepted. But more importantly they represent a escalation that N.K. might hesitate to use.

So conventional weapons. Going to kill a lot of S. Koreans, and some of our military, but NK would be wiped out.

So...whats the worry, so far it sounds like Iraq. Right?

Heres the two differences that matter.

Iraq had some chemical weapons. But most were degraded as they really weren't maintaining them. a couple thousand of these were found, and mostly in a couple places. North Korea? South Korea has estimated between 2,500 and 5,000. Not individual weapons....but 2,500-5,000 TONS of chemical weapons. And under active production. And they have recently demonstrated the use of VX Nerve gas. They used it to kill their current leaders brother.

Iraq does not appear to have had any biological weapons. On the other side N. Korea is believed to have a robust biological weapons including weaponized anthrax, smallpox, and hemorrhagic fever virus. These sort of things should scare us more then any nuclear weapons. And heres the thing-as long as they were left alone this is not the sort of thing a person uses. Cause they endanger everyone. But in a war? especially a losing one? Yeah, thats when you tell agents to release these in target countries.

Its not N. Korea nukes that scare me.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:38 PM
 
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OK where to start. First lets get this out of the way. The nuclear weapons should concern us. But we haven't seen them attached to a delivery vehicle yet. And even then its entirely possible they can be intercepted. But more importantly they represent a escalation that N.K. might hesitate to use.

So conventional weapons. Going to kill a lot of S. Koreans, and some of our military, but NK would be wiped out.

So...whats the worry, so far it sounds like Iraq. Right?

Heres the two differences that matter.

Iraq had some chemical weapons. But most were degraded as they really weren't maintaining them. a couple thousand of these were found, and mostly in a couple places. North Korea? South Korea has estimated between 2,500 and 5,000. Not individual weapons....but 2,500-5,000 TONS of chemical weapons. And under active production. And they have recently demonstrated the use of VX Nerve gas. They used it to kill their current leaders brother.

Iraq does not appear to have had any biological weapons. On the other side N. Korea is believed to have a robust biological weapons including weaponized anthrax, smallpox, and hemorrhagic fever virus. These sort of things should scare us more then any nuclear weapons. And heres the thing-as long as they were left alone this is not the sort of thing a person uses. Cause they endanger everyone. But in a war? especially a losing one? Yeah, thats when you tell agents to release these in target countries.

Its not N. Korea nukes that scare me.
None of that matters so much. The bigger risk is geography. Imagine if say, Paris was right up against the Iraq border and they could have started shelling the crap out of the city and suburbs at the onset...that's Seoul.

Secondly, this whole war with NK thing is a bad meme being pushed by both political parties to either distract or to make ridiculous claims about how we're going to end up in some big scary war with NK just because they're blustering like they always do.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:41 PM
 
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None of that matters so much. The bigger risk is geography. Imagine if say, Paris was right up against the Iraq border and they could have started shelling the crap out of the city and suburbs at the onset...that's Seoul.

Secondly, this whole war with NK thing is a bad meme being pushed by both political parties to either distract or to make ridiculous claims about how we're going to end up in some big scary war with NK just because they're blustering like they always do.
More worried about N. Korea making a mistake to be honest. But Trump aint exactly the sort that makes me feel safe either.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:44 PM
 
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It's gonna happen, say your prayers my friends

Entire U.S. Senate to go to White House for North Korea briefing | Reuters

The war in Iraq was a cake walk compared to how horrible a war in North Korea would be.

Today's soft "Call of Duty" generation don't have a clue as to what real war would be like such as that during the Korean war. Waves and waves of fanatical soldiers rushing towards you, explosions everywhere, blood and guts and pandemonium.

God help us all.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:48 PM
 
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This is what happens with a huge government which decides they will be the world's police.

Isolationism is the game I want us to play.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:49 PM
 
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The biggest difference is that starting a war with NK would be just that much more stupid than starting the war with Iraq. If the buffoons really want to do this let them issue a formal Declaration of War and forever have their names associated with possibly our greatest act of stupidity yet.
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Old 04-24-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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It's gonna happen, say your prayers my friends

Entire U.S. Senate to go to White House for North Korea briefing | Reuters

The war in Iraq was a cake walk compared to how horrible a war in North Korea would be.

Today's soft "Call of Duty" generation don't have a clue as to what real war would be like such as that during the Korean war. Waves and waves of fanatical soldiers rushing towards you, explosions everywhere, blood and guts and pandemonium.

God help us all.
I'm not as worried about the war as the aftermath.

Obviously we should not start this war in the first place....it's a war of aggression. If we used the statements of crazy leaders to guide us - well - need I mention Don the Con? According to him ISIS is already gone. Nato is broken up and that mission where everything went wrong is a success.....

If a war happens - Don the Con is doing it for one reason. Ratings. His ratings are low and that is all that matters to him. Human life does not figure in the equation.

My back of the envelope.....

Maybe 100K dead S. Koreans....a million or more N. Koreans. Almost no Chinese because N. Korea are on decent terms with them and not about to **** them off too much.

Those junky missile can fire some nerve gas to Japan - but where is it gonna hit? They are like Saddams Scuds.

Maybe N Korea will set off a few nukes from a boat. They won't hurt much.

The international community is not into killing civilians. If this was happens we will flatten the DMZ and all th N Korean bases and artillery - same for the nuke factories and anywhere else that can make stuff. Then hopefully the bond of the Great Leader will be broken and the S. Koreans and Chinese can go in there and help them get it together.

That would be a happy ending but there is so much that can go wrong in war that it becomes hard to predict. Let's say that millions of soldiers hole up in mountain caves and we need to spend years of air raids and boots on the ground to flush them all out- meanwhile the population starves and dies.

I say we drop iphone 7's along with a big supply of candy for everyone.
Or, we have a dead serious Summit with Russia, Japan, China, S. Korea, USA and - if they attend - North Korea. We don't leave the room until N. Korea gives up the nukes program AND gets 100 billion plus in immediate aid to make it a civil society. The Great Leader can choose to go down with the ship or to steer the nice brand new model.
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Old 04-24-2017, 09:01 PM
 
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Well there was an article about the nukes reaching Las Vegas the other day. But I doubt he'd waste a perfectly good nuke on them.

But it might be time to end the rule of the fat boy, with extreme prejudice.

Which will it be? 20 million people in LA or 20 million Koreans? Might be time for a preemptive strike.

Of course it really should be up to Mexico to protect California...
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Old 04-24-2017, 09:01 PM
 
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It's gonna happen, say your prayers my friends

Entire U.S. Senate to go to White House for North Korea briefing | Reuters

The war in Iraq was a cake walk compared to how horrible a war in North Korea would be.

Today's soft "Call of Duty" generation don't have a clue as to what real war would be like such as that during the Korean war. Waves and waves of fanatical soldiers rushing towards you, explosions everywhere, blood and guts and pandemonium.

God help us all.
Lol....turn off whatever news show you watch 8 hours a day. They're scaring you for ratings.
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Old 04-24-2017, 09:02 PM
 
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Well there was an article about the nukes reaching Las Vegas the other day. But I doubt he'd waste a perfectly good nuke on them.

But it might be time to end the rule of the fat boy, with extreme prejudice.

Which will it be? 20 million people in LA or 20 million Koreans? Might be time for a preemptive strike.
Apparently you do not understand how biological weapons work.
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