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Old 04-25-2017, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
File it under : bad economic policy.
Tariffs are wrong no matter who imposes them.
Yup. Tariffs have a way of biting those who can most benefit from them very hard when imposed.

I live in a state where the timber industry is still an important part of our economy.

Exporting our natural resources in their raw form is not the way any more to make the big money. Turning timber into lumber, and lumber into finished goods is the way to maximize the resource, not the exporting of it in unfinished form.

Anything the President and Congress can do to promote the growth of small business in the United States is the best answer to a lot of our economic problems and our unemployment problems as well.

A 'small business' can be just one person. But that single person bears many of the same financial risks and burdens the mega-large industries bear, but don't have any of the advantages that the economies of scale offer.

The Swiss understand this, and long ago, they found their way to fix it. If I wanted to buy a tree in a Swiss forest, I could, but that tree would require a set of specific permits before it was cut, and every one of those permits will financially benefit some Swiss citizens.

Switzerland does not export raw goods. Every single thing they export is only finished goods, and the Swiss' reputation for excellence really pays off, as every finished good they sell in export isn't going to be cheap or shoddy.

Not every person in the world can afford Swiss goods. But those who can buy them, and there's always plenty of those who can afford their goods around the world. So all Swiss industry prospers and avoids the worst booms and busts that come in a shifting economy. They also avoid the waste that comes from squandering their natural resources.

Tariffs do none of this. They allow a short temporary advantage, but it's nothing but a race to the bottom in the end, and the United States has already been there, done that already.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:40 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Alrite! Let's start a WAR with Canada, eh! It'll be cheap, close to home, and will help the economy, eh.
You're missing the point. It isn't about "starting a war." It's about fair trade practices. Canada has been "dumping" their products in the US for decades at below market prices, and US producers have been trying to get something done about it. They are happy that Trump is taking a stand.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:41 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I disagree. Tariffs for just the sake of tariffs are. Tariffs in response to unfair trade practices are not. The context matters.
Exactly. On this, I agree with you 100%.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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He does ...Canada has been "dumping" their forest products in the US at below market prices for decades, I read, and US producers have been complaining about it for many years, but nothing has been done about it. Trump is finally taking a stand. He is listening.
They've been complaining for years, but as previously posted, they're wrong. There's no substantial subsidy, and no dumping.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:46 PM
 
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Tell us, when is it appropriate for a third party to make a good or service artificially more expensive for the end user?

It is simple, you're trying to make it complicated.
when the product is of national importance, ref security.

Now you have your example. You can no longer claim your view is absolutely correct and we can move from there.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:47 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I don't think Trump is wrong just by being Trump but in this case when you and I know that Houses in US are made of Wood, the tarif on foreign Wood will only benefit few and houses will be more expensive to make.
"Dumping" of foreign products on the US market at below market prices is poor trade practice, and that's what Canada is doing. It's wrong on any level. US manufactures have been hurt, and that translates to job losses. We all want jobs. We want cheap houses too, but at what cost? I support our construction companies, and our US Producers who are being hurt by Canada's trade practices. And if you go to Home Depot, you see a lot of lumber that is from Canada.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:48 PM
 
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when the product is of national importance, ref security.

Now you have your example. You can no longer claim your view is absolutely correct and we can move from there.
You've offered nothing.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:50 PM
 
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"Dumping" of foreign products on the US market at below market prices is poor trade practice, and that's what Canada is doing. It's wrong on any level. US manufactures have been hurt, and that translates to job losses. We all want jobs. We want cheap houses too, but at what cost? I support our construction companies, and our US Producers who are being hurt by Canada's trade practices. And if you go to Home Depot, you see a lot of lumber that is from Canada.
Making a product more expensive for american consumers to protect an industry is the same as a bail out for that industry.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:51 PM
 
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If houses were already expensive...


Trump is commited to kill NAFTA.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...umber-j1wq4tyg
This is all well and fine but Canada charges very expensive tariff on American goods and make no bones on protecting Canadian Business.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:54 PM
 
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One quick thing you notice. the 20% tariff looks to be a response to a 300% tariff on milk.


Seems to be a bit low then doesn't it?


Glad you brought up the tariffs on US milk.
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