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It's still your loss. Make a trip out to Zion (amusement park nature) and then spend some time in Bryce/Canyon lands. They're both amazing. Zion is more like Yosemite's overtrafficked side but oh so worth seeing. If we end up with just a few pockets or overcrowded areas like Yosemite Valley and Zion it's a huge loss for everyone.
Not making sense. So monuments or not, over crowded public land is something that is bad? So let's secretly not advertise this park, remove signs, and ask google to remove.
Or you are saying Utah is not capable of managing land and only the federal government in legacy agencies that firmly believe in global warming and that people are all evil.
Not making sense. So monuments or not, over crowded public land is something that is bad? So let's secretly not advertise this park, remove signs, and ask google to remove.
You're entitled to your opinions, of course. I stand by mine. Overcrowded or not, both Zion and Yosemite Valley are indeed amazing and well worth the visit. I prefer isolation when in nature, which one will not find in Zion or Yosemite which isn't really here or there. I'd prefer Yosemite with no luxury hotel in the middle of it. If developers had their way with it, it wouldn't just be one. And yes, having Yosemite Valley covered in hotels and time share condos and a golf course and a casino would indeed ruin it. Go to Las Vegas or Tahoe. My opinion is you're missing out but if you don't like anything that doesn't have a couch and big screen TV within a quarter mile, you don't like it. It makes me a little sad for you but c'est la vie.
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Or you are saying Utah is not capable of managing land and only the federal government in legacy agencies that firmly believe in global warming and that people are all evil.
I have my doubts about Utah managing it, yes. It's motivated with one purpose in mind really. Drill baby, drill. Special interests in Utah want at the mineral rights.
The main reason those lands were protected is because there are too many people on the planet and too many of them are mindless pillagers who tend to be from your political party. The whole notion of private land ownership is also corrupt in some cultures. Why should random fools control acreage just because they happened upon it first? Federal protections are an attempt to limit selfishness and spread out ownership, but the common good is not a concept right-wingers understand.
In fairness, it must be noted that the wind power crowd is ostensibly Democratic but those sprawling projects have ruined a lot of open space that rivals monument status. Wind turbines are widely visible from many protected areas now.
Not making sense. So monuments or not, over crowded public land is something that is bad? So let's secretly not advertise this park, remove signs, and ask google to remove.
Or you are saying Utah is not capable of managing land and only the federal government in legacy agencies that firmly believe in global warming and that people are all evil.
Which biased untruth is being pushed?
Do you believe that Utah can manage these lands, sounds like their interests reside in profits and developing. Were they capable of managing these parks before the expansion.
The assumption by liberals is that private conservation doesn't exist. Or even that cities, counties, and states are inept in managing any wildlife resource. Just like health care.
Look how well the federal government runs airline security. 97% failure rate.
Federal management of the environment? Even California's environmental office runs the federal out of their state.
During disasters, fema never runs any expenditures without fraud or corruption. Nope, Perfect management and no $50 hammers purchased.
Illegal and legal worker validation program? Seamless. Never any mistakes in checking the national registry for illegal workers.
Student visa program? Flawless. Federal government always catches foreign snowflakes that get lost on campus and can't find their way back home before their visas expire.
Food stamp program? Only $1.4 billion in fraud from fraudulent claims and not validating the needs based testing required for free benefits.
Department of education? No fiscal waste. Social security fraud and social security disability? Again, perfect with no fraud.
Yes we heard the Bundys were going to take good care of the malheur, Oregon didn't want it but they were going to return it to the people whoever that is.
Utah is home to some incredible landscape. This is actually a loss for the entire country. I sure am glad I spent six months out there enjoying the national parks a few years ago before they are turned over to big business to pillage at will.
But this comes as no surprise by a president who sees everything in terms of $$$.
A friend of my father was similar to Trump, in his values and disrespect for people. He'd made millions in the Timber Industry and specialized in shady deals. He and my father, his two sons and I, were once looking out from a viewpoint across a beautiful valley, filled with large Douglas fir trees. It was part of a National Forest and areas in sight of the scenic highways, would never be logged.
Someone asked him what he thought of the view and he said, "When I look at those trees, all I see are planks coming out of a sawmill and dollars going into my pocket." I was just 13 then, but I knew that my life was not going to be directed in any way like his. For all the millions of people who enjoy and love our natural areas, it takes just a few like him in the wrong positions, to ruin them for everyone.
This will be reversed. Trump has no authority and there is no precedence for shrinking a national monument.
We can hope this will be the case. But the problem is, that if a president does something that has no precedent and gets away with it, then a new precedent is set.
God forbid we should spare a few acres from development and drilling. These greedy Republicans will sell their own mothers if the profit was great enough. I just can't believe the Liar in Chief can't quit undoing whatever Obama did.
Do you believe that Utah can manage these lands, sounds like their interests reside in profits and developing. Were they capable of managing these parks before the expansion.
Why would Utah manage this land? It is federal land and it will remain federal land, whether monument designation is retained or not. The issue is that w/out monument designation, it is easier to obtain federal leases for such uses as cattle grazing and mineral extraction. Monument designation controls the management of land already in federal ownership, it does not control the management of any other land.
In case you are wondering, it is pretty hard to transfer federal land to another owner, even to a state government. The process takes literally years to complete.
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