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Old 05-01-2017, 11:03 AM
 
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I notice a lot of replies still ignore the constitutionality question, and why Trumps administration did it when any competent attorney in this field would warn them.

Lets hope its just them being incompetent then.
Hillary promised to take those "record profits" which would have been illegal under the US constitution.

You seem to have missed the possibility that it's hyperbolic BS aimed at motivating the base....just like Hillary and so many others have used.

Especially ironic since there are 200k people marching in Washington today about global warming....no doubt Trump has his storm troops putting them in FEMA camps or maybe nuking them!?!!? LMAO.

Lastly, if I point to any sort of gun control that didn't hold up to constitutional challenge would you agree it was an impeachable fascist attempt seeing as how it's in the constitution and they should know better?
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Old 05-01-2017, 11:06 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Obama wasn't making it about religion. Something specifically forbidden. How hard is this? Additionally Trumps targeted countries (bar 1) were more about being Muslim then anything else.

And since it caused issues for people currently HERE, the ruling was pretty much foregone.

Any more nonsense, or do you want to deflect from the topic more? Is it uncomfortable for you?
Neither did Donald Trump make it about religion. Islam was not mentioned once in any 'travel ban' E.O. Perhaps one of the liberal news organization you obviously use as your source incorrectly stated so.

The U.S. has always in the past favored Christians over others. You can check that out.

Can you cite the law that you say says that is specifically forbidden?

The "targeted countries" were not "Trump's." The list was created in the Obama administration. You are lying again.
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Old 05-01-2017, 11:17 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I notice a lot of replies still ignore the constitutionality question, and why Trumps administration did it when any competent attorney in this field would warn them.

Lets hope its just them being incompetent then.
You are the one that is ignoring the Constitutionality question, because you refuse to accept that the Constitution gives him the authority to issue such a 'travel ban.'

You haven't yet made one valid argument as to why you think Trump's E.O. is unconstitutional. You haven't even read the relevant law. You are simply accepting a ruling by judges who have also not even considered the law, and have used arguments that are invalid, unethical, and outside of their authority. This has been pointed out by more than a few Constitutional lawyers since this issue arose, who have also said that if this does go to the Supreme Court, their ruling will be overturned, because they are clearly wrong. The Law is on the Administration's side.

But you choose not to do any research, and would rather whine and write ridiculous nonsense that you think supports your invalid and ridiculous arguments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LSN_9F-rh0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWI6_SiW_-M

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Old 05-01-2017, 11:45 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Donald Trump is just intellectually "foolish!" Constitutionally, you can't just ban Muslims, that's discrimination! The courts have the evidence, Trump said "he was going to ban Muslims doing the campaign, that's call bad intentions.
He isn't just banning Muslims, and there was no mention of "Muslim" in any of these orders.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWI6_SiW_-M
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Ah, so cash is free speech. One people for the plutocracy. Never really bought that. But you are TRULY arguing a whatif-Supreme court justices surprise folks regularly-especially in refusing to change past rulings..... And heres Trump ACTIVELY trying to do it, and you ignore that.

Its like saying "But if I had that guy work on my car he might have stolen it".....as the new guy has stolen your car, AND your wallet.
It helps to have cash when wanting to get your message out. Limiting political speech right before an election is about as bad as you can get.

And Hillary, yes Hillary, the Democrat nominee, all but promised to get CU overturned.
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Old 05-01-2017, 04:41 PM
 
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Trump has never called the Constitution "archaic," but the "progressives" have been calling it archaic and outdated for years. Barack Obama referred to it as a "flawed document." Have you ever questioned this?

Trump does not, nor has he tried to "rule by decree." You are making up stories out of whole cloth. The Courts that have blocked his E.O.'s have stepped beyond their authority in doing so. Why are you not questioning their action? You just seem to accept it.

You people are whining, complaining, and making accusations out of your own ignorance about our government and Constitution.
1) I have questioned the insides and outsides of the U.S. constitution many times.
2) Show me how the courts have "stepped beyond their authority in doing so."
3) I stand corrected about what he said. Truth is I don't know what he said; I was not there to hear it. But it looks like he might have indicated only that in his view the constitution has an archaic system within it and that he doesn't approve of that. Over time plenty of people have expressed a similar sentiment, including calling the constitution a "flim-flam." But not many potuses have publicly done so, for very savvy reasons. Especially right after suffering embarrassing high profile defeats in trying to get their ignorant, whimsical way.
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Old 05-01-2017, 04:55 PM
 
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I am in actual awe of the level of flat out dishonesty by folks here. WAY too many folks want Trump to just rule by decree. And WAY too many want him as a dictator apparently as he is their guy. I'm ashamed of many of my countrymen, and their lack of beliefs in our country, and what its supposed to be.

Make America Great Again isnt done by destroying the things that make us unique and free.
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Old 05-01-2017, 05:36 PM
 
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Only in America.

Do we enjoy making our country leader look like a looser. LOL


The world is going Trump right now. Just wait for France. Hint: there's a reason why.
No, we don't enjoy having our "country leader look like a looser". Just a single example: when he says stuff like Andrew Jackson (who was dead long before the civil war) was upset about the civil war... he not only makes himself look like a "looser" (sic), but he also makes all of us look pretty stupid for electing such a "looser" (sic).
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Old 05-01-2017, 05:54 PM
 
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And it would be one thing if these were occasional. The odd gaffe is endearing to be honest. But day after day after day isnt the odd gaffe.
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Old 05-02-2017, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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No, we don't enjoy having our "country leader look like a looser". Just a single example: when he says stuff like Andrew Jackson (who was dead long before the civil war) was upset about the civil war... he not only makes himself look like a "looser" (sic), but he also makes all of us look pretty stupid for electing such a "looser" (sic).
^^^This.

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And it would be one thing if these were occasional. The odd gaffe is endearing to be honest. But day after day after day isnt the odd gaffe.
^^^And this. Occasional misuse of a word is a gaffe. Trump's apparent misstatements are not gaffes. There are too many of them. They are a reflection of his beliefs, and his beliefs are terrifying.
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