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Old 05-01-2017, 02:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
Jackson was a slaveowner, Why do you think he would have sided with the North?
He addresses secession pretty specifically in his 1832 proclamation:

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... each State having expressly parted with so many powers as to constitute jointly with the other States a single nation, cannot from that period possess any right to secede, because such secession does not break a league, but destroys the unity of a nation, and any injury to that unity is not only a breach which would result from the contravention of a compact, but it is an offense against the whole Union. To say that any State may at pleasure secede from the Union, is to say that the United States are not a nation because it would be a solecism to contend that any part of a nation might dissolve its connection with the other parts, to their injury or ruin, without committing any offense. Secession, like any other revolutionary act, may be morally justified by the extremity of oppression; but to call it a constitutional right, is confounding the meaning of terms, and can only be done through gross error, or to deceive those who are willing to assert a right, but would pause before they made a revolution, or incur the penalties consequent upon a failure.

Because the Union was formed by compact, it is said the parties to that compact may, when they feel themselves aggrieved, depart from it; but it is precisely because it is a compact that they cannot....

A government, on the contrary, always has a sanction, express or implied; and, in our case, it is both necessarily implied and expressly given. An attempt by force of arms to destroy a government is an offense, by whatever means the constitutional compact may have been formed; and such government has the right, by the law of self-defense, to pass acts for punishing the offender, unless that right is modified, restrained, or resumed by the constitutional act. In our system, although it is modified in the case of treason, yet authority is expressly given to pass all laws necessary to carry its powers into effect, and under this grant provision has been made for punishing acts which obstruct the due administration of the laws.
Granted, this might have been mere political grandstanding and he might have secretly harbored other ideas - or changed his mind in the interim - but I do think his words leave little room for interpretation. Of course, with an adept political mind like his in the mix, it is likely that another compromise would have been reached.
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:44 PM
 
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What's worse this or Obama saying there were 57 states?
I knew there was something missing from this thread.

(Also, Obama didn't actually say there were 57 states, but then you'd need to look into what was actually said and that smacks of effort.)
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Not a nice man at all, Andrew Jackson...
People who seek to reduce everything to the lowest common standard seldom are.
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:15 PM
 
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He addresses secession pretty specifically in his 1832 proclamation:

Granted, this might have been mere political grandstanding and he might have secretly harbored other ideas - or changed his mind in the interim - but I do think his words leave little room for interpretation. Of course, with an adept political mind like his in the mix, it is likely that another compromise would have been reached.
I have little doubt he would've "compromised" to keep slavery going.
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:43 PM
 
Location: FL
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He is a money guy not a History Major!
Then he shouldn't be talking about things that he doesn't know. That way he can keep his stupidity to himself and not share it with the world.
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:51 PM
 
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Jackson was a slaveowner, Why do you think he would have sided with the North?
Had he been alive, always a plus, there is no reason to believe Jackson would have sided with the north.

Strange the way Trump carries on about his hero Andrew Jackson but does not seem to know a thing about him.

Maybe Ivanka could put a page of bullet points together for him.
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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Had he been alive, always a plus, there is no reason to believe Jackson would have sided with the north.

Strange the way Trump carries on about his hero Andrew Jackson but does not seem to know a thing about him.

Maybe Ivanka could put a page of bullet points together for him.
Someone would have to read it to him. And then explain it to him. And even then, that's assuming he has the attention span to pay attention that long, which is doubtful.
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Old 05-01-2017, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Houston
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How did the world's dumbest man beat the world's smartest woman?
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Old 05-01-2017, 04:12 PM
 
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I knew there was something missing from this thread.

(Also, Obama didn't actually say there were 57 states, but then you'd need to look into what was actually said and that smacks of effort.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

there, effort.
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Old 05-01-2017, 04:12 PM
 
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Then he shouldn't be talking about things that he doesn't know. That way he can keep his stupidity to himself and not share it with the world.
For Once Donna 501 you are correct.
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