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Old 05-03-2017, 09:50 AM
 
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My employer has always done this. We can choose the overtime pay or equivalent comp time. I always opted for the comp time because more time at home or being able to attend the kids activities was more important to me than a little extra money after Uncle Sam got his share.
I posted the law. In most cases that is illegal. I want the option to do the same.
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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You provided a clipped statement. Seriously?
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(1) GENERAL RULE.—An employee may receive, in accordance with this subsection and in lieu of monetary overtime compensation, compensatory time off at a rate not less than one and one-half hours for each hour of employment for which overtime compensation is required by this section.

“(2) CONDITIONS.—An employer may provide compensatory time to employees under paragraph (1) only if such time is provided in accordance with—

“(A) applicable provisions of a collective bargaining agreement between the employer and the labor organization that has been certified or recognized as the representative of the employees under applicable law; or

“(B) in the case of an employee who is not represented by a labor organization that has been certified or recognized as the representative of such employee under applicable law, an agreement arrived at between the employer and employee before the performance of the work and affirmed by a written or otherwise verifiable record maintained in accordance with section 11(c)—

“(i) in which the employer has offered and the employee has chosen to receive compensatory time in lieu of monetary overtime compensation; and

“(ii) entered into knowingly and voluntarily by such employee and not as a condition of employment.
Want the whole thing?

It clearly states, if the employers offers it to you and you willingly choose the offer. Then you can get comp time instead of OT pay. If not?
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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b]Republicans [/b]don't accept popular ideas if Democrats want it. Remember Obamacare was an idea put forth by the Heritage Foundation years before the Democrats got their hands into it.
Case in point. Politics. Screw the people.....go with your politics no matter what.
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:53 AM
 
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Want the whole thing?

It clearly states, if the employers offers it to you and you willingly choose the offer. Then you can get comp time instead of OT pay. If not?
They will not have to under this bill. It says they *may* offer it.

In many cases now they can NOT.
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:53 AM
 
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I posted the law. In most cases that is illegal. I want the option to do the same.
Small business, what ya gonna do?
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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They will not have to under this bill. It says they *may* offer it.

In many cases now they can NOT.
Yeah and it clearly states so. Then where's your "choice"? It doesn't exist.
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:58 AM
 
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Small business, what ya gonna do?
Small businesses are generally exempt from most laws.
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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Yeah and it clearly states so. Then where's your "choice"? It doesn't exist.
It gives my employer the opportunity to offer me the choice. Right now they can not.

Why shouldn't I be allowed the choice?
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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No different than what has happened since labor hating Reagan was in office.
Don't you find it absured, that after the fiasco of destruction Reagan did to Union, that these people would have awakened to realize the wealthy have no concern for the poor?

Only leaders of the likes of Teddy Roosevelt and Franklin Roosevelt, John Kennedy and Clinton, and Obama have fought for "the people", and each time, the "Right Wing Foot Solder People" fought against each of them, all because they were trying to make life better for the average person.

The "Serf" mentality seem to praise the wealthy and will defend the greed gouging of the wealthy and they will get angry if one tries to tell them of the greed gouging acts by the wealthy. It's the most insane thing ever.
History dissolved these Wealthy Monsters, as it did in the Era of JP Morgan, Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, over time many other their off-springs squandered much, though some of their vast fortunes found ways to spread itself to still have impacts upon people today. The Era of the Old Plantation Owner also met their demise, but they buried their money and dominated fields of Medicine, Pharmaceuticals and a variety of other categories, and each are their money was shuttled into, is a category that still seeks to 'rip off the people for the raw and arrogant pursuit of wealth"

The Single Dumbest Thing American People Did was to support the Wealthy in convincing them to disband Unions. Now, the average worker has no voice, no pension program, no medical and dental, and Trump has proposed that companies no longer need to keep records of safety violation and safety accident, which means the employee has no recourse and no historical data to use to help themselves. It is quite sad, that the Wealthy convinced the working poor whites, to fight against Unions as if that would hold back minorities and cut off the pathway to middle class; and what it did was shut it down for poor whites as well. They could no and still do not grasp, that anything they do to try and disenfranchise minorities, is equally so done to them by the wealthy white system. The Working poor whites have not figured it out... the only benefit they are to the wealthy is as a tool, to promote racial discord in the system, and while that discord rages, the Wealthy Reap a Fortune through the system while it is distracted in racist madness, and when it settles down, the poor white find out, they have created for themselves, "the exact same thing they tried to create for the black people", "economic devastation".

This game cycle has played out for 100's of years, and still even on University Campuses, young whites are still pushing the stupidity of racist ignorance, placing nooses, and other insidious racist things to demonstrate their racism, and then they stand back and act proud, never knowing they are taking pride in their own ignorance. It's almost like a generation-ally passed along sickness.

One has to be very weak in the mind and pumped up on vanity and material fiction, to stoop so low as to resort to the ignorance of racist promotion in their attitude and actions, as their sense of self measure. They think its strength, and it only demonstrates their spiritual weakness, and the haughtiness of arrogance, shows the weakness of charger and the diminished level of being without integrity. "such people are extremely dangerous", as they practice "Evil" = profound immorality, wickedness, and depravity; Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful. A new costume, a shiny car, and a shapely body, or a teaser's face, cannot hide these character flaws and lack of integrity, and no volume of trying to "spin word play games", can make one of any true stature in spiritual honest and certainly not one who is respectful of God principles.

Many have no time for such things of God, they think money can gain them anything, and the game of playing upon and against each other to lure each other into the bed for the the debauchery of each other, for the pump of their ego's and they consider themselves, a winner in society. That's who little they understand of God principles, because to them, the lower they stoop, they think it elevates them higher.
Many even think the word "college student" gives them an exemption from being held responsible for their conduct and their actions. This is what they have been taught over many generation and they follow the scrip, never becoming aware, until they are brought before Justice and then they want to pretend to be a so called "innocent college student".


It's so much that white society failed to learn, because they rode on some delusion of being superior with a fantasy that "anything goes, because they are white".

The truly aware segment of white society was raised to learn what compassion is, what Gods principles are, and they were taught that money does not make the measure of the individual, and they are less consumed by material things. They don't go on tantrums, when they run out of money, or they can't get some material things, they don't walk around pretending to be of some status, that is basically only fiction, nor do they walk around, trying to ride on their parents wealth and business name.

When Reagan busted Unions and set out to take away funding for State University, because he felt too many poor whites and too many minorities were becoming educated and thus being made aware of the madness of the system. His mission became to damage the university funding in ways that it would take decades upon decades to repair, but it was of design to not be repaired, because the for profit university were given massive promotion, the AA from Community became devalued, and the BA and BS from Colleges or Universities, was diminished, to where it is not, all about "Masters" and up... because that guarantees that you have contributed money into the business enterprise known by the name of University, so they issue one a "Get A Job Certificate" with the label of "Masters Degree Stamped On It.


Young people today will do themselves well to go to Vocational and Technical School, Learn a Skill, Learn a Trade, and if you are dedicated, as you gain experience,you may then be motivated to create your own business, but for sure no one can take that skill from you. It is transferable practically on a Global level.

University degree riders began in the late 1970's attacking the pay of Union employees, because the degree rider felt they should be paid more because they sat in a class room, partied for 2.5 yrs, and joined a bunch of social group and was taught from decades old books about things that have nothing to do with current business. But they came out with a degree and wanted a Decision Making Position.
They had nor do they have any ideas as to the responsibilities that industry has to the community, nor the responsibility that industry has to the local supply chain in its immediate environment, they have no idea that when people are paid well, they also patronize the community which helps make the community strong. All they were taught is"greed chasing" and ego pursuits. Since the 1970's we've seen as a result nothing but "Industrial Failure", Union Busting" and Outsourcing, and cycles of degree riders wanting higher pay and more benefit.. they want the exact same thing they supported denying to the general workforce.
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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How in the hell did so many in America become so ignorant of our long and often brutal labor history? Overtime pay was a punishment for not expanding the headcount when the workload was expanding. It began with the understanding of limitations on hours worked as a bargaining chip in labor negotiations, and, through the politicization of labor demands, it became law. It was a tool used to curb the long hours demanded by the bosses who wanted to prevent the expenses of hiring new people, and that is still the excuse for needed overtime.

I ran my own business so I do understand the need to ask employees to stay over from time to time, but, some companies utilize OT right into their manpower projections as a cost cutter, even at current compensation rates. The inevitability of the OT scenario is understood, but the origins of the laws should never be overlooked when considering how to address the needs of management--AND workers..
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