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I have to agree with Acupunk - your idea, while well meaning, is not realistic.
Believing that an idea doesn't seem realistic is no reason for not making it happen! It's just another excuse to perpetuate the myth of a Health Care system in America, when in fact there is no Health Care system. The great Health Care debate is a distraction to maintain the status quo and keep the money roilling into the coffers of the AMA, big Pharma, and the Insurance companies without doing a damn thing to improve anyones health. It seems like pure insanity to keep the same flawed treatment system in place while arguing about who should pay for it. I've seen absolutely no proposals from anyone in congress that will improve anyones health in any way. It's still all about treating disease after the fact.
How are the leaves and vacations paid for in Europe? Does the government help pay for it? It's very hard for a small company to pay these benefits and it isn't just about greed. If I hire one person, as much as I would want to provide him/her with the best of benefits, I would have a hard time affording it. That's why FMLA only applies to companies over 50 employees, it would pose a real hardship to small companies.
I'm getting the feeling that he is talking about bigger companies..Small business are the ones struggling most with the HI issues too.. and that is understandable.. as is the point about paid vacations, etc.
Believing that an idea doesn't seem realistic is no reason for not making it happen! It's just another excuse to perpetuate the myth of a Health Care system in America, when in fact there is no Health Care system. The great Health Care debate is a distraction to maintain the status quo and keep the money roilling into the coffers of the AMA, big Pharma, and the Insurance companies without doing a damn thing to improve anyones health. It seems like pure insanity to keep the same flawed treatment system in place while arguing about who should pay for it. I've seen absolutely no proposals from anyone in congress that will improve anyones healt in any way. It's still all about treating disease after the fact.
Let me ask you this: Many people who have great insurance now, don't go for an annual physical that, in many cases, is FREE. They don't get checked out now
Why would your suggestion make someone go to the doctor? If they won't take the time now - they won't take the time under your system
Unless of course, you are suggesting mandating annual physicals - you are not suggesting that, are you?
No offense, but did you read what you wrote before you wrote that? 1. Osteopaths are D.O.'s, which you said should be removed from the role of PCP 1.a)
No offense taken. I recognized the error of my ways shortly afer my post, so I went back and edited it, even before you brought it to my attention. Thanks anyway for pointing it out. At times, my typing is faster than my brain!
Good and thanks for fixing. Just didn't want to cause any confusion! And again, I apologize if I came off a little brash :-)
And, in addition, if that employee is off for an extended period, and they are doing a vital job, you have the additional expense of replacing that employee, even for a temporary period
The system is COMPLEX. It is a combination of payroll taxes and social system in general.
things are partially covered by employers, partially by government(VAT etc.).
HOW can one pay for it?
Well... they don't pay 13 000$ per year for insurance of family for an employee.
UHC is greatly cheaper, and fixed in price.
Since all companied are required by law to provide this, small and large,
it creates "EVEN GROUND".
Wake up, we're not in industrial revolution...
If richest and most prosperous countries can do it, so can the USA.
Big part of it does come from government... like maternity paid leave.
All countries zeroing in on unemployment have this system, so it can well work.
The question remains... SAME as with HI, if we ALL want to pay to protect mothers, and want to pay to have HI etc.
The system is COMPLEX. It is a combination of payroll taxes and social system in general.
things are partially covered by employers, partially by government(VAT etc.).
HOW can one pay for it?
Well... they don't pay 13 000$ per year for insurance of family for an employee.
UHC is greatly cheaper, and fixed in price.
Hang on - you are now mixing metaphors!
We were talking FMLA, paid vacations, paid sick leave etc.
When you say the government pays for part of it, who is the government? Who is really paying for all of this is the taxpayers - come on, lets be honest.
Also, the op raised the issue about the small employer - what to do if that employer only have one or two employees. Who / how is that employer to deal with the employee gone, paid, for an extended period? Who is going to pay for the replacement / temporary worker?
And, we don't know that a UHI scheme would be, in fact, cheaper in the US.
"Then of course, you have the high percentage of independent contractors / self employed here in the United States - they would not have the benefit of all these "perks" you suggest."
This is a concept some smart productive type corp guru came up with to eliminate a benifit payment. Could this be part of the problem?
"Then of course, you have the high percentage of independent contractors / self employed here in the United States - they would not have the benefit of all these "perks" you suggest."
This is a concept some smart productive type corp guru came up with to eliminate a benifit payment. Could this be part of the problem?
No, actually it is the very nature of many business models. Real estate for example: Salespeople have been generally considered "independent contractors" for over 40 years. Same with many other sales type professions.
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