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She was forced into government work? That's horrible! Isn't that illegal and stuff?
Anyway, perhaps you're game enough to entertain a hypothetical, in jeffbase40's absence? Would you back a Quaker who refused to issue CCWs based on his profound, religious stance on pacifism?
Employers are required by law to accommodate employee's religious beliefs unless the accommodation puts an extreme hardship on the place of employment.
What part are you having trouble understanding?! You think that religious freedom doesn't mean anything to me!?
I am talking facts here, black and white. Absolutes. To be a county clerk, she swore an oath to uphold the law. The Supreme Court of the United States has made same sex marriage the law of the land.
When it comes specifically to doing her job, as a government employee, her personal opinion/faith does not matter. If she chooses to exercise her right to religious freedom, she may quit her job at any time and not be penalized in any way for it.
But if Kim Davis wants to hold a government job that requires her to uphold government laws, she needs to perform the duties she swore to execute. If this were a private company or if she were in a government position. I'm not sure what anybody could try to argue or question about that...
When I was in the Air Force, one of our core values was "service before self," meaning that you prioritize your fellow servicemen and your country first. Well Kim Davis IS NOT putting "service before self," and instead is letting her personal opinions get in the way of her sworn duty.
If Kim Davis were in the military and doing what she is doing, she would charged with "failure to follow orders" and could be jailed or kicked out of the military.
Well you are ignoring the fact that it is unconstitutional for the government to force people to violate their religious beliefs. That's why we have things like Conscientious objectors with the military. With your reasoning, everyone drafted into the military should have been forced to kill the enemy.
Well you are ignoring the fact that it is unconstitutional for the government to force people to violate their religious beliefs. That's why we have things like Conscientious objectors with the military. With your reasoning, everyone drafted into the military should have been forced to kill the enemy.
Ms. Davis wasn't drafted into this job against her will. She can leave at any time. How is the government "forcing" her to do anything when she can walk out the door whenever she chooses, without consequence?
She just wants to keep her cushy government job and benefits, but not actually do the job. And the government, like any other employer, has the right to say, if you won't do the job, you can't keep the job.
Wow, what a concept, huh?
She should have been fired immediately. That the state is still paying this woman's salary is egregious.
Well you are ignoring the fact that it is unconstitutional for the government to force people to violate their religious beliefs. That's why we have things like Conscientious objectors with the military. With your reasoning, everyone drafted into the military should have been forced to kill the enemy.
Comparing a conscientous objector to an elected official is a false comparison.
Kim Davis ran for County Clerk and won the position. As an official of the county government, she has a mandate to perform her sworn duties that takes precedence over her private beliefs.
A conscientious objector is entirely different. One has several alternatives available to fulfill his duty that allow his conscience to be served as well as an allowance to do his voluntary military service.
A Clerk's duties are very cut and dried, defined very clearly by law. Davis has no options. If she wants to keep the best job she's ever had in her life, she must perform her duties, period. No exceptions at all for her beliefs, and no alternatives.
The county and the state may allow her to escape those duties without criminal penalty, although she is breaking the law, but a civil court is not affected by that. Davis won't be sent to jail, but she could face civil fines so stiff she might prefer a jail stay after the court is through with her.
Ms. Davis wasn't drafted into this job against her will. She can leave at any time. How is the government "forcing" her to do anything when she can walk out the door whenever she chooses, without consequence?
She just wants to keep her cushy government job and benefits, but not actually do the job. And the government, like any other employer, has the right to say, if you won't do the job, you can't keep the job.
Wow, what a concept, huh?
She should have been fired immediately. That the state is still paying this woman's salary is egregious.
Being forced to leave a job is a form of punishment. Throwing her in jail is a form of punishment. The government has no right to punish people for their religious beliefs. Kim Davis has suffered because she didn't want to violate her beliefs.
Comparing a conscientous objector to an elected official is a false comparison.
Kim Davis ran for County Clerk and won the position. As an official of the county government, she has a mandate to perform her sworn duties that takes precedence over her private beliefs.
A conscientious objector is entirely different. One has several alternatives available to fulfill his duty that allow his conscience to be served as well as an allowance to do his voluntary military service.
A Clerk's duties are very cut and dried, defined very clearly by law. Davis has no options. If she wants to keep the best job she's ever had in her life, she must perform her duties, period. No exceptions at all for her beliefs, and no alternatives.
The county and the state may allow her to escape those duties without criminal penalty, although she is breaking the law, but a civil court is not affected by that. Davis won't be sent to jail, but she could face civil fines so stiff she might prefer a jail stay after the court is through with her.
When Kim Davis took the job, was her duty clearly specified to endorse and sign off on immoral unions? YES or NO.
Well you are ignoring the fact that it is unconstitutional for the government to force people to violate their religious beliefs. That's why we have things like Conscientious objectors with the military. With your reasoning, everyone drafted into the military should have been forced to kill the enemy.
Kim Davis wasn't drafted. Try again. There's absolutely no use of force. She can do the job or step aside for someone who will.
When Kim Davis took the job, was her duty clearly specified to endorse and sign off on immoral unions? YES or NO.
Who the eff made you (or Kim Davis) the arbiter of moral vs. immoral? More to the point, her duty is that of all government employees - that of carrying out her job according to the law as it stands. If the law changes in ways she dislikes, she's free to leave. Otherwise, chop-chop with the paperwork.
Now, I'm perfectly willing to believe that she didn't think any of this through before getting her hands on that sweeeeet Gvt. paycheck, but that's her problem.
Oh, and: Would you back a Quaker who refused to issue CCWs based on his profound, religious stance on pacifism?
Being forced to leave a job is a form of punishment. Throwing her in jail is a form of punishment. The government has no right to punish people for their religious beliefs. Kim Davis has suffered because she didn't want to violate her beliefs.
So it's your contention that anyone who refuses to do their job must be allowed to keep that job anyway?
You do hear how stupid that sounds, right?
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