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Where in Davis's job description did it say, "issue marriage licenses to heterosexual couples only"? If you can show us that, then you may have a point. However, if her job description merely says, "issue marriage licenses," then nothing has changed. Her job is to issue marriage licenses. Period.
One more time in hopes that you get it and stop deflecting from the truth. Kentucky was not allowing gays to marry when she took they job.
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Easy enough to alter the theoretical to fit the current situation:
The Quaker lives in a city/state that bans CCW. Legislature overturns said ban making CCW legal in said city/state. The Quaker continues to refuse to issue CCW permits or allow any of his underlings to issue them, in defiance of the new law changes, citing his religious opposition.
There ya go, now it is relevant again.
Of course it's not relevant. Your Quaker buddy isn't the one who issues those permits plus Quakers own guns.
You've clearly never held a job in your life. Step aside & let the adults in the room discuss. Buh bye.
Typical. Well all else fails, just resort to cheap insults. No the mature thing to do is to know when to walk away. There is no point in discussing this anymore. You and your ilk are not going to convince me that Kim Davis deserves to have her life ruined. Likewise, I'm not going to convince the haters that she had her freedom of religion violated because well then they would have to give up their biased anger.
One more time in hopes that you get it and stop deflecting from the truth. Kentucky was not allowing gays to marry when she took they job.
Her job description makes no distinction. It states it's her job to issue marriage licenses. Period.
Laws are not static. They change. If Ms. Davis is unable to change with them, that's fine. She is free to leave at any time.
But the fact remains that the job description says she is to issue marriage licenses. Nowhere in that job description does it add the qualifier, "unless you disagree with who you are issuing it to." If you can point us to a clause like that in her contract which gives Ms. Davis personal discretion over who she will issue marriage licensees to I will concede the point.
I get how hard you are trying to deflect from that simple truth, but truth it is. She couldn't or wouldn't fulfill one of her basic job duties under the law. That's the beginning, middle and end of this story.
She never signed up to endorse gay marriage. That's what a NEW immoral job role forced on her. If you had a long career somewhere and the boss suddenly demanded that you engage in something unethical or leave, you would have no problem hitting the street and losing your way of making a living immediately, right?
The county page says nothing about endorsing anything, and she wrote it.
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As county clerk I am responsible for providing many services to the people of Rowan county. These duties include general categories of clerical duties of the fiscal court: issuing and registering, recording and keeping various legal records, registering and purging voter rolls, and conducting election duties and tax duties.
Our office is here to serve the public in a friendly, professional and efficient manner. We are constantly striving to upgrade our services in order to better serve you. This website is our most recent attempt to better serve the people of Rowan county. Here you will find contact information, important forms and documents, land and legal records, and much more. Feel free to contact us via phone or fax during business hours, or use our convenient contact form and someone will get back to you as soon as possible.
Of course it's not relevant. Your Quaker buddy isn't the one who issues those permits plus Quakers own guns.
??? It is a made up scenario to see how you feel about the position you are taking when it is one of your sacred cows being illegally ignored, thus the "Quaker buddy" is indeed the one supposed to be issuing permits and is indeed religiously opposed to it since the "Quaker buddy" is a part of a made up thought experiment that you are apparently incapable of following along with.
Now answer the question: Do you think someone who is religiously opposed to say, hunting, that is also in a position where they are expected to issue hunting licences should be allowed to unilaterally deny hunting licenses on religious grounds and also to prohibit any of their staff from issuing hunting licenses as well, all the while being allowed to keep their job?
One more time in hopes that you get it and stop deflecting from the truth. Kentucky was not allowing gays to marry when she took they job.
It doesn't matter. Seriously, it doesn't. Not one bit.
She's there to see that the laws are upheld, and her personal opinions on the law do not matter one iota. If she can't do her duty, she can take a principled stand and leave.
Her job description makes no distinction. It states it's her job to issue marriage licenses. Period.
Laws are not static. They change. If Ms. Davis is unable to change with them, that's fine. She is free to leave at any time.
But the fact remains that the job description says she is to issue marriage licenses. Nowhere in that job description does it add the qualifier, "unless you disagree with who you are issuing it to." If you can point us to a clause like that in her contract which gives Ms. Davis personal discretion over who she will issue marriage licensees to I will concede the point.
Nothing to do with personal discretion, everything to do with religious beliefs. More proof you do not understand the issue at hand.
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I get how hard you are trying to deflect from that simple truth, but truth it is. She couldn't or wouldn't fulfill one of her basic job duties under the law. That's the beginning, middle and end of this story.
Ms. Davis is going to pay.
No deflection on my part. That's just another thing you've made up. A twisted agenda will do that. One more time in hopes that you get it and stop deflecting from the truth. Kentucky was not allowing gays to marry when she took they job.
Speaking of deflection I noticed how you've run away from this.
Jury Awards $240,000 to Muslim Truck Drivers In EEOC Religious Discrimination Suit
A federal jury in Peoria, Ill., has awarded $240,000 to two Somalian-American Muslims who were fired from their jobs as truck drivers at Star Transport, an over-the-road trucking company, when they refused to transport alcohol because it violated their religious beliefs, according to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), which brought the case. The trial started on Oct. 19, and the jury returned its verdict the next day after 45 minutes of deliberation.
Nothing to do with personal discretion, everything to do with religious beliefs. More proof you do not understand the issue at hand.
No deflection on my part. That's just another thing you've made up. A twisted agenda will do that. One more time in hopes that you get it and stop deflecting from the truth. Kentucky was not allowing gays to marry when she took they job.
And they do now. If she can't change with the law, then she should quit.
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