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Is your argument that a "baby" in early gestation is sentient? Cause if so seems like there should be some pretty solid evidence for that that you could present if true. Everything I have seen suggest no higher thought patterns until 20+ weeks. Which is right around where most of the current restrictions kick in.
You may twist and spin words to suit yourself. If you wish to authorize killing potential human beings, that's your choice. But do not pretend it's from any logical or moral high ground. It is feticide.
FETICIDE - an abortion, specifically, the killing of a fetus. One who kills a fetus. The act of destroying a fetus or causing an abortion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
“... I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy.” (Variation 1)
“... I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.” (Variation 2)
Abortion doctors are “oath breakers.”
I suspect there are some people who wish they were aborted. I haven’t met any, though.
A civilization formed to help secure the right to life of its members cannot endure feticide-for-convenience. There can be no accounting for the loss of irreplaceable individuals who were prevented from existing. No outcry can be heard from the aborted. Their voices can never be heard.
If I recall, I helped some patients who couldn't read well, or couldn't read at all, to fill out forms. Patients shared their experiences with me, also. I don't remember much more, as it has been over two decades ago that I volunteered at Planned Parenthood. The organization did much good. That little clinic was always busy. I volunteered there for a few years.
I guess its best these women had abortions if they were so uneducated they couldn't read. I cant imagine they could raise a child much less three. Where the heck was this. I remember about 40 years ago I knew of a couple elderly people who couldn't read. That is really sad.
To me, hiring a killer to kill your baby in the womb is no different than hiring a killer to kill your 5 year old.
You sound like those ignorant legislators that would force women to have a funeral for the fetal remains of a miscarriage or abortion.
Do you feel miscarriage should come with a negligence or involuntary manslaughter charge.
And your argument is that you can't discern the difference between sentient life and any life?
Here you indicate that sentience has some bearing on the discussion but then here:
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics
You may twist and spin words to suit yourself. If you wish to authorize killing potential human beings, that's your choice.
You have moved the goal post and now you care about "potential" human life. Not my fault your argument fails to be logically consistent, also funny that you double down on the hypocrisy by accusing me of twisting words while you are humping the goal posts another 50 yards down the line.
So is it sentience that matters or is it "potential" human life and how far back down the causality chain is potential human life defined.
Sperm cells? Egg cells? Frozen fertilized eggs used for IVF?
When they dispose of a rack of fertilized eggs used in IVF is that mass murder?
If disposing of a rack of fertilized eggs used in IVF is not murder, why would aborting a fertilized egg be murder? The only difference at that point is the location of the fertilized egg. Every single fertilized IVF egg is also a potential human life with its own unique DNA.
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The article had racial overtones and i am not here for it.
She did not have to mention a brown arm.
A fetus looks very pale in utero and you don't see any of them settling into a color that you could squarely identify as one race/ethnicity or another until they're born and breathing their own air, etc. It takes a while for their color to come into their limbs.
So, yeah... was an attempt to shame black women and/or latina women.
Which is disgusting because these are disproportionately the SAME WOMEN who get so much shaming for needing government assistance and are criticized for even having sex and reproducing in the first place.
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Logic. Critical thinking. Similar posts from the same poster again and again. Poster has a mission, and I can respect that since it's a controversial subject, I surely struggle with it. But oh my gosh! This "article" is beyond stupid.
I have struggled with this issue too, for many years. I am pro-choice, but I am not pro-abortion. To the best of my understanding, Planned Parenthood does not "encourage" abortions, but presents all options to the women who come to them for assistance (I noticed in the article an add for someone asking you to help her defund Planned Parenthood).
Actually, I can see a woman like this trying to joke about the situation. But usually that would be a coverup for her emotions. I think most women are very torn and not casual at all when they come for an abortion, but I did learn that I was originally wrong and that there are women who use abortion as birth control after one of my work acquaintances did just that years ago. I was very sad for her lack of concern and reverence for life and it changed my relationship with her...I tried not to judge her, but I just couldn't get over her cavalier attitude about it. Nevertheless, I still support choice. I hate to think of us as a nation going back to the days of back-alley abortions when many women bled to death or died from infections after getting an illegal abortion.
I also stand by my belief that if we wake up tomorrow and there has been a paradigm shift and suddenly men could get pregnant too, this issue would quietly -- but quickly -- go away.
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