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'Single Payer' healthcare may possibly be sustainable on an individual state level and some states already have crude forms of it but on a national level it would never be sustainable.
I never said they are afraid....if the alternative is not getting anything.....my father in law is sure unhappy with some recent changes....
Health care rationing may well happen in the US....but it is almost routine in a lot of single payer countries and I have experience in two of them.....
Health care rationing may happen? It happens every minute, every hour, every day. Dont you know how insurance companies and hospitals work? And lets not even talk about the rationing based on ability to pay. You get a child with a severe disease and cant pay medicine? Tough luck. No help for your child.
You said people were afraid of public health care (like Medicare). Surveys show people are not afraid of Medicare. In fact, they are delighted.
You cant generalize all systems based on your mother.
Some systems have shorter waiting times than America, some have longer.
My 2 aunts, their friend, my sister...they accept months of wait but in the US would unacceptable....
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How happy are you about losing health insurance because you lost your job because of cancer. Now stuck with hundreds of thousands of dollars in cancer bills. Whats so great about that?
Infact that is mainly what we should focus on in the US....the sudden unemployed that have some assets...Medicaid recipients are fine and so are Medicare....
Health care rationing may happen? It happens every minute, every hour, every day. Dont you know how insurance companies and hospitals work? And lets not even talk about the rationing based on ability to pay. You get a child with a severe disease and cant pay medicine? Tough luck. No help for your child.
...and, as I said, rationing is even worse on single payer systems...sorry but I lived through that.....
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You said people were afraid of public health care (like Medicare). Surveys show people are not afraid of Medicare. In fact, they are delighted.
As long as you do not mention waiting months to see a specialist....
I have lived in Europe. No horror, and everyone understands they pay for it through taxes. They are not sorry, since they are getting what they wanted.
I have lived in many places of the world and the USA
yes they are for the most part happy with the taxes...EVERYONE pays...not just 50%
based on our tax system (of collecting reported income) (and a good portion of income is not reported to the IRS) we currently have about 150m who FILE taxes.... of those only about 50% actually PAY taxes...the other 50% (47% to be exact) have a zero or negative tax liability.... meaning they get back EVERYTHING+ of what the had deducted from their pay check...... I was one of those until 2 years ago
Europe is great... people actually walk and bike to the shops..they are in much better shape and health than americans....and its about lifestyle not health care
Not all of them do. And if they did, why is a 25% national VAT tax even necessary in their countries?
No, we can't. The annual additional cost to the Fed Gov would be $3.2 trillion. The TOTAL annual income of the top 10% (household incomes of $133,500 or more per year) is $4.6 trillion. You'd have to slap an additional 50% federal income tax on all of them to fund it. That would never happen.
VAT value added tax is NOT 25% some goods are charged at 25% ie luxury and some goods at 0% it is a structured sales tax intended to fund the general exchequer nothing more.
the idea that VAT is part of healthcare is nonsense you most likely just got mixed up on.
V.A.T. value added tax. (and by the way as an american you can buy stuff on amazon dot co dot uk and not have to pay it! with currencies the way they are there are some sweet deals)
again we ALREADY pay the money THERE ARE only 28 million uninsured people in the USA stop pretending they would cost trillions a year they would not.
even at our current costs of 9k per person 28m times 9K is less than 280 billion a year.
where are you getting your trillions from? and it would be zero over ten years because the other 280 million currently covered would see the 9k drop each to a todays dollar 6K or less.
we would save not lose money. But it would need to be done slowly so the savings would really just be no increases to mild reduction over a decade or more.
...and, as I said, rationing is even worse on single payer systems...sorry but I lived through that.....
As long as you do not mention waiting months to see a specialist....
So you base your experience of the health care of 1 billion people in dozens of countries based on your mom in Italy. You see how irrational this is right? You claim to be a libertarian. Europe has multi party systems, but you belong to some fringe social darwinian party I dont think I've ever heard libertarians gaining even 1% in any European country.
Australia has eliminated approval on medical equipment? Can you point to the cost savings Australia get by having no approval process for medical equipment as you claim?
Don't you know, none if the Nanny States Nations have any government rules or regulations. The fact that single payer systems were not started in the US is the one single reason that they are deemed inferior. When I was a well paid federal employee my total federal and provincial income taxes were less than many Americans pay just for insurance premiums. That they either think that is not true or that it is fine to pay large premiums is up to them.
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