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People who have no clue about socialized health care will say "yes" and people with knowledge will absolutely say "NO"!
I can't blame clueless people...
People who want to eliminate Medicare are the clueless ones. Or do you not count it as "socialized health care" perhaps? Do you want the government out of your Medicare?
we already have 155 million americans currently COVERED by employer insurance ...
75% of their premium is covered by the employer
for example I have FEHB (yes I work for the Dept of Army)...my Aetna premium (my cost) is $250 every pay period (2 weeks)so I pay a little over 500 a month...my employer pays 1500/m of they share of my premium for family coverage.... that's over 2k per month for insurance on a family of 6 (my oldest just graduated college and got married) was 7.......my cost 6500 a year...my employer cost 39,000 per year......
so lets look at the math.... for GOVERNMENT INSURANCE (I did say I was FEHB) it costs over 45k for a family of 6 (btw it doesn't matter if my family is 3 or 13(ie 11 kids) the family plan is the same cost)
so if we went to taxes...and my employer was SAVING 39k...do you really think my employer will give me a 39k or even 15k raise??? NOT... my un-appreciating employer would rather have a pay freeze for 3 years, with a furlough in 2013... plus talk about a furlough for this year too
most corporations (and mom&pops) would love to see UHC...it would lower their costs dramatically.... but the individual worker...would get screwed
It sounds like you are saying you think the whole idea bad because you believe your employer would not give you some of the savings.
You understand that YOUR portion would go down or vanish. thus you would still come out ahead.
even if you broke even how is it bad. It seems to me you are shifting ground to avoid admitting it can work and that you would most likely gain or at least not be hurt.
You no longer have anything to object to ref universal coverage.
Why do you claim it wont work when every single developed country makes it work, for half the cost of our current system?
America is the only country without a Medicare-for-all type system.
Then why do all those amazing countries offer private insurance that the wealthy purchase to bypass the substandard care of the single payer crap care?
Why do people from around the world come to this country for surgeries and treatments they cannot get in their own countries?
The only thing single payer does is provide substandard care to everyone EXCEPT the wealthy, who can afford to pay for excellent health care.
The middle class once again gets screwed because of those who are not willing to suck it up and deal with the fact that life is not fair and they are not entitled to other people's earnings!!
Looking at the US health care system and comparing it to socialist country is not comparable.
For one thing the US has the world's large obese per thousand population, the larges drug infected population, more auto accidents per mile, more heart attack and strokes then any other country. You name it and we lead the world in it or at least close to the top.
Comparing socialist countries with smaller population and a higher tax base to a large US population is insane. If the US removed their military present from countries like Germany their economies would collapse because they would have to shift social spending to military spending. The US military money keeps socialist countries like Germany afloat.
nonsense. First off, they are not "socialist". That means workers owning the means of production. They are social democratic, like FDR pushed for in America before the ruling donor class got too powerful.
Military spending is 1-3% of GDP in any developed country. Total tax take of GDP is around 42%-48% in many developed countries. You're saying a country will collapse if they spend 0.5 or 1% more on military, thats almost a rounding error in the grand scheme of things.
Of course they do. And American health care providers will use Australian equipment. So what? You claimed that the approval regulations in the US made the US so much more expensive than Australia.
How many new drugs, treatments and technological advances are coming out of Australia? How is the R&D funded in Australia?
Then why do all those amazing countries offer private insurance that the wealthy purchase to bypass the substandard care of the single payer crap care?
So you support getting rid of single payer Medicare because it is so substandard? Why do so many people on single payer systems, whether Medicare or Medicare-for-all type systems in Europe love it?
Regarding all these people travelling to America for health care? Not really. Far more Americans travel to other countries. Its the 99% that gets hammered in America. The 1% love the current health care system to a very large extent.
Yes, corporations and the wealthy (ie: $400,000+ annual income) would have to pay significantly higher taxes. Oh, how terrible ... the billionaire CEO will have to forgo his 5th vacation home ... how sad!
You could take 90% of the wealth of all those evil billionaires and it would not sustain a government health care scheme for more than a year or two.
Funny how they have a 25% VAT yet McDonalds sell their Big Macs for far cheaper in Denmark than America:
You're clearly deluded:
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"And so at the Aalborg McDonald’s, for instance, a Big Mac extra value meal costs 58 kroner, or $10.25, while the Dollar Menu is the 10 kroner menu, which means it’s the dollar-seventy-seven menu here. In Denmark, taxes are included in list prices, unlike in the US, so backing out the 25 percent VAT gives us $8.20 for a Big Mac meal and $1.41 for the “dollar” menu. That compares to $6 and $1 in Seattle."
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