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You obviously haven't gone through the Medicare doctor search nightmare.
My father has been on Medicare for years and has never had the slightest trouble finding a doctor. In fact, due to some heart issues, he's got a team of some of the best there are where he lives. His friends on Medicare have all had pretty much the same experience and are happy to have it. It's a life saver for them. Your statement is nothing more than propaganda and an outright lie meant to scare people into your way of thinking and as evidenced by this discussion, it's not working.
Something I've noticed while reading through this thread is that every excuse the right wingers on here throw out as to why we can't have a single payer has been refuted not with emotional responses but with logic and statistics. The right simply cannot present a valid reason why we can't have single payer here.
People are starting to see that their same old tired excuses are nothing more than propaganda or outright lies. Just ask the Canadians if they would trade their healthcare model for ours.
From living in the U.S. during the winter months for over twenty years now across the entire south from one coast to the other and witnessing the horror show amongst American friends who've suffered,.....NO FEKK'N WAY JOSE!
The conundrum of listening to bullcrap about wait times and having commiserated with MANY friends in the U.S. who've been denied or delayed treatment due to insurance denial is tantamount to death panels of the worst kind..... yet......still to this day we read this silliness on here.
It's like those people exist in complete isolation with what happens around them as I'm quite sure simply walking less than two hundred yards down the street to talk to a neighbour would glean information they've been immune to themselves.......until it happens to them.
Wrong. I suggested a 25% national VAT tax like European/Scandinavian countries have. The left wing won't have it.
No funding = no national health care
Other methods have been presented here that would work as well but you refuse to acknowledge them. And for the record, I would support a 25% tax to have national healthcare. I just think there are better ways.
From living in the U.S. during the winter months for over twenty years now across the entire south from one coast to the other and witnessing the horror show amongst American friends who've suffered,.....NO FEKK'N WAY JOSE!
The conundrum of listening to bullcrap about wait times and having commiserated with MANY friends in the U.S. who've been denied or delayed treatment due to insurance denial is tantamount to death panels of the worst kind..... yet......still to this day we read this silliness on here.
It's like those people exist in complete isolation with what happens around them as I'm quite sure simply walking less than two hundred yards down the street to talk to a neighbour would glean information they've been immune to themselves.......until it happens to them.
Unproven, how? If a 25% national VAT tax produces more tax revenue than needed to fund national health care for all, reduce the VAT tax rate, accordingly.
Europeans/Scandinavians have no problem paying a 25% national VAT tax. Why do American social Democrats balk at doing the same?
Because Europe has strong unions that fight for the average worker's pay and benefits and no state and local sales tax. Danish McDonald's workers make $18 an hour, has better benefits than the top 10% in America, and the big mac costs 17% less than in America (Big Mac Index | Economist - World News, Politics, Economics, Business & Finance). Of course they dont have a problem with that VAT tax. But what about McDonald's workers in Alabama? You cant just add 25% federal sales tax to groceries in Alabama for a total of 35% sales tax for people making starvation wages in Alabama (no minimum wage there) with no benefits.
Other methods have been presented here that would work as well but you refuse to acknowledge them.
None of the other suggested methods raise the ADDITIONAL $3.2 trillion per year (lefty think tank analysis/projection) cost to the Fed Gov for national health care for all.
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And for the record, I would support a 25% tax to have national healthcare. I just think there are better ways.
There aren't. A 25% national VAT tax would do it. The European/Scandinavian social democracy countries have already traveled the path and know what works.
Wrong. I suggested a 25% national VAT tax like European/Scandinavian countries have. The left wing won't have it.
No funding = no national health care
Nope, their national health care systems is not funded by a 25% national VAT tax. And that VAT varies from country to country. Its not 25% on everything in every country. And they can do it because they have strong unions that make sure no one who works are paid starvation wages and they have good benefits.
Their national health care systems are funded by payroll taxes and they pay on average $4000 per year per person in taxes for their health care system. We already pay more than that in taxes for our health care system, but we also have to pay the private premiums, co-pays etc.
Other countries can provide health care to everyone at half the cost of our system. Why cant we? People just come up with all sorts of excuses because they feel compelled to carry the water for the insurance corporations. I feel a substantial number also derive happiness from having lots of poor and desperate people in America because they feel better about their own situation that way. So they resist national health care based on that logic.
Cuts in the budget. Do we really need to build as many fighter planes during peacetime?
Then again removing the healthcare insurance costs and changing them over to taxes.
That's the part of the equation never discussed when comparing to Canada as an example. How much does it cost the average family in taxes AND to insure themselves for a year in the U.S. compared to the tax paid by your average working stiff in Canada?
Which country's citizens are getting better value for tax dollars collected?
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