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View Poll Results: Would 'Single Payer' healthcare be sustainable in the U.S. on a National level?
Yes 121 71.18%
No 49 28.82%
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:26 AM
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The US could either do it at a state level or at a national level.

There could be a mix of local and national spending.

There are numerous models and options in terms of universal healthcare.
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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It is perfectly sustainable!!! When we need more money for it, we will just raise taxes more!!! Problem solved!!! /derp /derp
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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"Publicly funded" is government spending, NOT paid and collected tax revenue. You see, there's this thing called "deficit spending" which has resulted in a $20+ trillion national debt that costs the US an additional $430+ billion to service each year.
This has been explained to you before. Deficits lower than nominal GDP growth does NOT increase debt-to-GDP ratio. As long as debt-to-GDP ratio is stable, it is all fully funded by taxes.
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:29 AM
 
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Have a tier of various insurances that are transparent and have various cost to them. In addition to, on some of these insurances can build your own insurance plan of what is covered and how much deductible is. In addition to, adjustable Medicaid. Adjusted insurance for individuals living below liveable income levels in their State. Public insurance covers percentage of care. With this can go to any health care facility in any State and receive care. The Doctor and facility determine the cost. The cost is told upfront to you. Can then shop around and see how much would be with the percentage covered by your insurance company. Also tax credits for individuals enrolled in this plan if they join a gym, don't smoke for six month's, have an annual physical, and so forth.

Also the State buys generic medication to distribute it to area hospitals at low prices. Government ends pharmaceutical patents, less red tape regarding medication a provider can prescribe, and bust up pharmaceutical monopolies.

Government ends patent on medical supplies and equipment as well.

2% national tax for individuals and 4% tax for businesses to help fund these plans. Tax rebate for Americans who opt out of Government insurance.

End mandates on businesses regarding health insurance.

Allow more places to establish and offer to the public to join Health Savings Accounts.

Legalize marijuana nationally. Excess tax on marijuanna, cigarettes, and alcohol to fund Universal Mental and Substance Abuse Care at Non-Profit or Public health facilities. Decriminalize heroin and set up safe zones to use. Use money from fines regarding heroin to help fund mental health and substance abuse service's.

National tax to provide Universal Healthcare to Active Military member's & their families, for individuals 70 & older (Can sipplement with private Insurances), Veteran's at VA facilities, 50% discount for National Guard & Reserve Members, and Disabled.

Tax for Catostriphic Healthcare.

Tax for Universal Cancer Treatment.
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:29 AM
 
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Debunked as hogwash
Nope. You'd have to be an idiot to not realize that shifting the bulk of health insurance and health care costs which are now paid by employers and individuals to the Fed Gov would result in a massive increase in Fed Gov expenditures.
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:30 AM
 
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No, not additional, since more than half of that is already collected through our current taxes.
Even if it is half of $three trillion that would equate to roughly 30 billion per state. Obviously some states would pay more than others based on population.

Where does that 30 billion per state come from? Talk about devaluing the dollar.
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Private health insurance is not sustainable.

Single payer. 6% employee 6% employer. Covers dollars 1 to 200 and dollars 2700+. Double for families. Everyone on it, even unions and congress. It doesnt make care free but no more ruined for life million dollar bills.

Private sector can provide gap insurance if you want it.
This seems like it would be a decent start. Gap insurance for anything above the basics.
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:30 AM
 
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Pharmaceutical and medical equipment approval regulations, to name just a few.
Australia does not have proper medical equipment approval regulations in your opinion? Is this something people complain alot about in Australia? You are clutching at straws here.
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:32 AM
 
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This has been explained to you before. Deficits lower than nominal GDP growth does NOT increase debt-to-GDP ratio. As long as debt-to-GDP ratio is stable, it is all fully funded by taxes.
If it's so beneficial, why is $430+ billion per year of tax revenue diverted from spending on improving the quality of Americans' standard of living to just going to service the National debt?
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Yes, additional. Read the analysis, which explains, in part:

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/...-Care-Plan.pdf
If you read it, it actually supports what I said. It is not all new taxes when much of it is already collected by States and location governments. If I pay $4000 in State and local taxes in health related taxes, I don't care if I pay the federal government instead. It is $4000 either way, so its not additional tax, it is existing tax.

So, the government would pick up what is currently paid by States, local governments, so that is existing taxes, not new. Then the question is how much is currently financed by individuals in form of premiums and deductibles, and how much taxes would have to increase to off set it.
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