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Old 05-09-2017, 05:14 AM
 
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Great answer
Seems it was.
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Old 05-09-2017, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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What started this was your hypersensitivity. All I stated was I took care of my son when he needed to see a doctor. It is time we get back to family relyinmg on family and not government as the first option.

Now, let us get on topic.

How fast was life expectancy rising in the 8 years before 2009 and how fast in the 8 years since? It is liberals who frequently use life expectancy stats when measuring us against other nations.

When the War on Poverty began in 1965 the rapidly dropping poverty rate suddenly stabilized.

If Obamacare is saving lives the statistics should show it.
Three years is too soon to tell to be quite honest. Unless the Senate gets their heads out of their assess and kill the bill (like the House should have done) we won't know. The only good from this is several Republicans in Hillary districts will likely be voted out of office next November because most people like Obamacare. If you get out of the Republican echo chamber, you'd realize this.
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Old 05-09-2017, 06:35 AM
 
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Three years is too soon to tell to be quite honest. Unless the Senate gets their heads out of their assess and kill the bill (like the House should have done) we won't know. The only good from this is several Republicans in Hillary districts will likely be voted out of office next November because most people like Obamacare. If you get out of the Republican echo chamber, you'd realize this.
Most people do not like Obamacare. They just don't want a worse alternative.
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Old 05-09-2017, 06:41 AM
 
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Most people do not like Obamacare. They just don't want a worse alternative.
Most people hate "obamacare" because of the name and have no factual information to back their hate. I had a girl tell me it was awful, when it was the reason she was able to get medicaid. She had no idea.

Many people have insurance through their employers. Had everyone been insured through the exchange, it would have worked because the risk would have been spread out. But because we had the healthy insured through their employers, and the unhealthy, disabled and unemployed insured through the state exchanges it was a disaster.

Everyone needs to be put into the same pool and spread the risk. The same money being spent on healthcare now, can be out towards this one universal plan. Everyone will have the same coverage and the expense will be shared.
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Old 05-09-2017, 06:45 AM
 
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Most people do not like Obamacare. They just don't want a worse alternative.
Most people don't even know what Obamacare is.

More than a few have been shocked to find out that the Obamacare that they despise is the same as the ACA they like.

The connection between expanding Medicaid and Obamacare is rarely made.

Even with all this, polls show about three fourths of the country likes Obamacare better than Trumpcare.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:27 AM
 
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Most people hate "obamacare" because of the name and have no factual information to back their hate. I had a girl tell me it was awful, when it was the reason she was able to get medicaid. She had no idea.
Yeah, probably not. No one buys this.

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Many people have insurance through their employers. Had everyone been insured through the exchange, it would have worked because the risk would have been spread out. But because we had the healthy insured through their employers, and the unhealthy, disabled and unemployed insured through the state exchanges it was a disaster.
So you are arguing it was a disaster but people like it?

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Everyone needs to be put into the same pool and spread the risk. The same money being spent on healthcare now, can be out towards this one universal plan. Everyone will have the same coverage and the expense will be shared.
I support UHC. I was supporting it when we got the Obamacare mess.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:32 AM
 
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Most people don't even know what Obamacare is.
Yes they do......remember, it was that plan that was going to save us all $2500.

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More than a few have been shocked to find out that the Obamacare that they despise is the same as the ACA they like.
Stuff like this is why the (D)'s are in the minority.

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The connection between expanding Medicaid and Obamacare is rarely made.

Even with all this, polls show about three fourths of the country likes Obamacare better than Trumpcare.
Which isn't really saying anything. I'd rather have the flu than pneumonia but I'd rather be healthy.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:36 AM
 
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Stuff like this is why the (D)'s are in the minority.

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Gerrymandering, voter suppression, purging voter rolls, coordinating with the Kremlin to spread lies...

That's why the D's are the minority.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:43 AM
 
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Gerrymandering, voter suppression, purging voter rolls, coordinating with the Kremlin to spread lies...

That's why the D's are the minority.
You can create excuse after excuse but it's not going to win a single election.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Most people don't even know what Obamacare is.

More than a few have been shocked to find out that the Obamacare that they despise is the same as the ACA they like.

The connection between expanding Medicaid and Obamacare is rarely made.

Even with all this, polls show about three fourths of the country likes Obamacare better than Trumpcare.
Just look at the Jimmy Kimmel man on the street interview.
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