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Especially since, going forward, we will see more and more jobs disappear to automation and our jobs are tied to health insurance...we need to figure out how to move forward in the face of automation and increasing unemployment.
Its not enough to say "Pay for it" anymore.
That's right. There's no reason why health insurance should be tied to a job. Universal health insurance would mean that people could move anywhere in the country and take their insurance plan with them. They could move somewhere to get a better job rather than staying where they are in a low paying job.
They could even get laid off and be looking for another job and not be without health insurance. Most first world countries are like that.
There's a right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Physical LIFE requires caring for one's health and there aren't very many (if any) people who are qualified to do it all for themselves. They might treat a cough or a cold but can they treat their own cancer? Can they diagnose and treat their own high cholesterol? Can they perform bypass surgery on themselves?
How many serious diseases can a person treat without some outside health care?
Without health care they would die and that isn't LIFE. Health care is a right.
Life also requires food. Should we then "socialize food"? Everyone pays a set amount and the macaroni truck comes around each day and passes you a Michelina's pasta? That's what I eat for dinner most evenings and if it's good enough for me, it should be good enough for all.
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So since rights apparently aren't a government thing...I say take all guns and throw 'em in the ocean. Free speech? F that noise. Shut down any and all traitors to the American cause. Religion? Nope. All must adhere to the FSM version of the universe. Any dissent shall be roundly shut down by 'Murican volunteers.
And you'd just looooovvvveeee for this to happen, I trust (assuming it doesn't negatively affect you personally).
Ultimately my right to "life" should not come at anyone else's expense. Because the moment it does, that is no longer allowing my patron his/her right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the way he/she sees fit UNLESS he/she actually wishes to support me. Coercion vs. free will.
Is health care a basic human right?
More accurately, is giving medical aid an endowed right?
I think so, unless one has consented to be governed otherwise.
Receiving medical aid from another is based on the actions of someone else, and not an endowed right.
At this time, the government has criminalized the unlicensed performance of professional medical aid and has restricted or regulated other forms of medical aid, medicines, and medical appliances.
Therefore, there is no “RIGHT†to receive professional health care.
As to the issue of using the government to compel one to pay for the care of another, that is involuntary servitude unless one has consented. Then it is voluntary servitude, and constitutional.
Do you know how and when you consented to be a voluntary donor?
The easy answer is "yes." The question gets harder when you ask if it should be equal for all, the way say the right to free speech or religion are. Given the huge costs and advances, the question is "how much of a right" is health care? Health care has been used by the Democrats (of which I am one) as a wedge to seek greater income redistribution overall. It's a nose under the tent to equalize everything according to need, not effort.
That's right. There's no reason why health insurance should be tied to a job. Universal health insurance would mean that people could move anywhere in the country and take their insurance plan with them. They could move somewhere to get a better job rather than staying where they are in a low paying job.
They could even get laid off and be looking for another job and not be without health insurance. Most first world countries are like that.
Yes. People in other countries where healthcare is provided for all have the freedom to move from one job to another without having to worry about their healthcare insurance. What a wonderful idea! Being able to get a job that pays better, provides you more experience, is better for your family without worrying about (a) waiting 3-6 months to get on the new insurance plan and (b) the quality of said health insurance.
Because I was taught on at an early age if you want something you go and get it, nothing in life is handed to you, and life is too short to be envious. So if you want the fast cars, the pretty women, the nice house, you get your Azz out of bed and go make something of yourself or lay around be a bum sucking off the tax payers teat.
That and I am very observant. I learn from my and others mistakes.
Like my high-school and college friends who rushed into marriage who today are going through costly divorces 5-7 years...
Or the other dudes who went knocking women up to get another notch under their belt wind up in jail for back owed child support in the 10s of thousands. Or wound up with an incurable STD...
He who laughs last laughs hardest. And boy am I laughing at all of those suckers...
Get up and go is admirable, but I bet I could find some poor sod who had much, much less than you had as a child, and think you had some things handed to you. It's all relative.
Im a perfectly healthy 35 year old woman who barely had to go to the doctor in my entire life except for my pregnancy.
Im so damn healthy that i never needed any surgery or intervention of any type. My sight is FANTASTIC i never needed glasses of any type, my dental health is perfect. I NEVER get sick. I might get a cold once a year or less, and that cold lasts 2/3 days and its over.
I payed health insurance all my life. Well, when i was a kid my parents paid for it, and then, at 19, i started paying for my own. I barely EVER used the hospital facilities until i was pregnant, when i was 34 years old.
So, for 34 years old, giving my EXCELLENT health and the fact that i paid for a service I DIDNT USE, i been subsidizing sick folks all over the country.
I ve never even think about this, until reading about USA healthcare system and hearing people complain (wow! ) about paying someone elses health bills.
So, if i lived in USA and according to T 310, chris c & co logic, i should be outraged for paying healthcare for the sick for over 30 years. If i lived in USA i should go to T 310 door and ask for my money back, since im sure he had at least a minor intervention that was paid with MY MONEY
And you'd just looooovvvveeee for this to happen, I trust (assuming it doesn't negatively affect you personally).
Ultimately my right to "life" should not come at anyone else's expense. Because the moment it does, that is no longer allowing my patron his/her right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the way he/she sees fit UNLESS he/she actually wishes to support me. Coercion vs. free will.
No, I'd actually HATE it.
But please keep assuming. Its quite amusing.
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) about paying someone elses health bills.
