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Old 05-08-2017, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Nice little cherry picked example.

Who is gonna pay for the police to patrol and answer emergency calls?

Who is gonna pay to fix a dam that breaks?

Who is gonna pay for someone's auto accident which requires life saying medical procedures the person can not afford?
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Old 05-08-2017, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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We all use public roads, bridges, police, schools, etc

Assuming you dont live off the grid.
Didnt you know it? They built all the roads they use, all the bridges, with their own bare hands.
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Old 05-08-2017, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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No it's not pointless. A right is something you just get and don't have to pay for. That's why HC will never be a right because someone has to get paid to administer it.
For most people, rights were fought hard for. Very few, go it just handed to them.

That bit of semantics aside, rights are constantly being interpreted and even change. Ask gay people about their rights?

Greater minds than mine, agree healthcare is or should be a right.

WHO | Health and human rights
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:00 PM
 
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Didnt you know it? They built all the roads they use, all the bridges, with their own bare hands.
All I know is I havent built anything.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Everybody gets healthcare. It's the bill being paid everyone isn't entitled to.
...too much after the fact, not enough preventive.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I won't nitpick the whole post, so I'll just say yes, people need to work together to have any success. The thing is, there is no debt that needs to be paid back to "society", which isn't even a real entity. If you're educated, you pay the educators and you're even. If you get roads, you pay for the roads and you're even.

The split here is that you're not accounting for the fact that there is no other competition allowed outside of the government version of these services, and you're not even allowed to refuse them if you choose to do so.
Good to know. I'm going to your community and start my own competitive police force! Your police will soon be out of business, since I will low ball my offer.

As for society not being a real entity....do you live in a cave?
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Didnt you know it? They built all the roads they use, all the bridges, with their own bare hands.
I can't even keep up with all these fallacies.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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We all use public roads, bridges, police, schools, etc

Assuming you dont live off the grid.
Yeah, and we pay for them too. I'm saying we should have the option to not pay for them if we aren't going to use them, and we should pay for them if we're going to use them.

Also remember the state monopoly issue.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Haaaa...a Liberal who believes in self responsibility?

Yeah right.
She's originally from Canada where liberal and conservative have different goal posts. Liberal is not a dirty word in Canada. Even our Conservatives are FOR UHC.

Support for public health care soars: 94% of Canadians - including Conservatives - choose public
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:05 PM
 
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Neither is making purchasing health insurance mandatory by force of government.

What liberals never seemed to understand about Obamacare, is that making someone buy health insurance does not guarantee access to health care.
It has to be mandatory, because guess what?

Today, under the ACA, if you don't have health insurance and have a medical emergency, you are not denied service even if they know for a fact that you cannot pay the bill. The hospital will treat you and eat the costs.

This isn't Walmart, where you have to pay before using what you bought. The hospital "fixes" you first, you leave and then the hospital asks for the money.
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