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Old 10-03-2016, 03:24 AM
 
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In its season premier, ABC's "Madam Secretary" puts climate change front and center.

The sitting President, presumably a Republican, loses his primary when he breaks with his party's denial of man-made climate change, losing the support of campaign contributors. The President decides to run as an Independent, and it appears that climate change will a major focus of the show in the weeks ahead.

The President's position change on climate change is precipitated by the threat to U.S. naval bases from rising sea levels.

https://www.navytimes.com/story/mili...port/87657780/

What it might take to protect the world's biggest naval base from rising seas | Public Radio International

This is an important and costly concern, but hardly the main risk to humanity posed by climate change. It will be interesting if "Madam Secretary" addresses issues such as the destruction of global fisheries due to ocean acidification and the ongoing ravaging of American forests.

As Donald Trump and most Republican candidates are climate change deniers opposed to any efforts to decrease fossil fuel use, it will be interesting to see if "Madam Secretary" influences the national election.

It's likely that most Americans have never considered the cost that will be imposed on the U.S. Navy as a result of rising sea levels. Nor are most Americans aware of the other security risks resulting from climate change.

http://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/612710

http://time.com/4101903/climate-chan...onal-security/
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Old 10-03-2016, 03:49 AM
 
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Default How next U.S. President will control climate change fight

A timely Bloomberg article:

<<For a relatively slow-burning phenomenon, climate change is having a moment of great consequence this week. A cascade of events—physical, legal, political, and diplomatic—is underway. While you wouldn’t know it from the cacophony of the presidential campaign, these dramatic changes may allow the winner to dictate what direction the world heads in, for better or worse, when it comes to fighting global warming.

First off, this year is expected to smash the global average heat record, set last year, which eclipsed the mark set the year before. Each decade since the 1980s has been hotter than the previous one. (Scientists explain the human contribution like this.) >>

How the Next U.S. President Will Control the Fight Against Climate Change - Bloomberg
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Old 10-03-2016, 04:22 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Since Jon Stewart's exit from The Daily Show, the uninformed have to get their "news" from TV dramas--and an oh-so-willing bunch of Hollyweird leftie producers and scriptwriters.
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Old 10-03-2016, 05:44 AM
 
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Since Jon Stewart's exit from The Daily Show, the uninformed have to get their "news" from TV dramas--and an oh-so-willing bunch of Hollyweird leftie producers and scriptwriters.
You have a point about tv. That said, if you don't believe that climate change is real, I suggest a trip to Alaska. There's nothing like seeing it with your own eyes.

Also, did you catch that episode? It addressed more than climate change.
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Old 10-03-2016, 06:59 AM
 
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Will the show's writers have her battle to stop climate change by flying all over the place in private jets like in real life?
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Old 10-03-2016, 08:12 AM
 
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I have to laugh at these "experts" that claim the sea level will rise. Hate to break the news to them, but if the entire Arctic melted it would not raise the sea level one millimeter. When ice melts in a glass of water, the water level doesn't rise. Ice takes up more space than water; when it melts, it shrinks. Ice displaces the same amount of water whether frozen or melted. The arctic is a big ice cube, not an island.
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Old 10-03-2016, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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I have to laugh at these "experts" that claim the sea level will rise. Hate to break the news to them, but if the entire Arctic melted it would not raise the sea level one millimeter. When ice melts in a glass of water, the water level doesn't rise. Ice takes up more space than water; when it melts, it shrinks. Ice displaces the same amount of water whether frozen or melted. The arctic is a big ice cube, not an island.
Nice try, but wrong.



A difference in salinity (density) of the sea water and the ice, the increase in volume would be about 2.5 to 4% of the volume of the melted ice water, which when added to the volume of the oceans, would raise the ocean a small amount

This only accounts for floating sea ice. The total amount of non-floating Arctic and Antarctic ice is about 50 times higher, and because this is not currently floating (and displacing sea water), if it were all to melt the sea levels would rise significantly.

Of course, then there is also Greenland, which is has a surface area of 660,000 sq mi of ice, many miles deep. Their ice alone could cause the seas to rise greatly, with some estimates being well over 20ft.

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Old 10-03-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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LOL! Pretty sure our military is more than qualified to cope with it.
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Old 10-03-2016, 10:56 AM
 
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Will the show's writers have her battle to stop climate change by flying all over the place in private jets like in real life?
She can catch a ride with Leo.
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Old 10-03-2016, 10:58 AM
 
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Nice try, but wrong.



A difference in salinity (density) of the sea water and the ice, the increase in volume would be about 2.5 to 4% of the volume of the melted ice water, which when added to the volume of the oceans, would raise the ocean a small amount

This only accounts for floating sea ice. The total amount of non-floating Arctic and Antarctic ice is about 50 times higher, and because this is not currently floating (and displacing sea water), if it were all to melt the sea levels would rise significantly.

Of course, then there is also Greenland, which is has a surface area of 660,000 sq mi of ice, many miles deep. Their ice alone could cause the seas to rise greatly, with some estimates being well over 20ft.

It is like them thinking the reason you don't top off their glass of kool-aid..... If the ice in their glass of kool-aid melted, it would overflow the glass and not because they too clumsy to deal with a full glass.
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