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First off, I am not a christian. But a lot of folks are, and I dont understand how they can defend trump care.
How is it that given the above bolded, that the Christians who support Trump and Republicans do not go and demand Universal healthcare?
How can they be OK with millions losing their healthcare, and thousands dying. How can they be OK with our homeless problem?
It's beyond sad, I know. It started with the moral majority of the late 70s, early 80s, when certain Christians made an unholy alliance with the GOP, to gain political power and influence, disregarding the words and life of Christ. They turned from the Gospel of Love, to the Gospel of Being Right. When they discovered their ew found influence, they were corrupted by it.
Augustine put it this way: "the church is a wh*re, but she's my Mother." The unfaithful Bride of Christ. Wh*oring herself out to the Republican Party.
The reason you see many Christians acting the way they do, and supporting the things they support, is simply them following their pastors, and the people that influence them. Instead of following Christ.
I don't say these things easily or without thinking. Don't think I take jo in saying these things. I don't. I don't say these things to "score points" with other liberals, and I don't say it to anger Christian Conservatives. The callousness that comes from other Christians, their seeming depraved indifference to the suffering going on all around us, on both sides of our doors, is painful to me.
All that said, I am no saint either. I'm broken too. I think we all are. My pastor says "we all have stuff." He's right.
we can afford universal healthcare without not being able to take care of ourselve. Every developed country except us does.
Other countries are suffering from numerous problems in this that those who promote this socialism refuse to acknowledge because this isn't an issue of caring for another, it is an issue of promoting ones politics. Also, you ignore the cost of hardship this will have in order to fund this. This is a common problem by such idealists views, they do not look at the individual damage this does, they only see generic result of "everyone is covered!" and then ignore how this harms various families by taking from them. There are near infinite examples throughout our society where a government mandate of forced taxation results in harming the individual. This is considered acceptable by the socialist because they think the sacrifice of the individual is a worthy price to achieve a collectivist goal. This thinking is evil and counter to Gods word.
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And actually I am being honest about this. I've known some folks who truly believed in the bible, and took in the homeless, visited prisons, and cared for the sick. They are VERY rare, but if anything THEY are why as I say-I am agnostic, not a atheist really.
Forced servitude is evil, no matter how just or right you think you are, the end does not justify the means. This is why Gods word does not demand the subjugation of the world to believe as God gave everyone the right to choose for themselves.
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Re-reading that section of Matthew truly does make me wonder. So far responses have mostly been complete nonsense. Yours has a bit of honesty, but it kind of fails the sniff test for me. It would not begger us to provide universal healthcare like every other developed nation in the world.
When you look at a small red spot through a hole, you can't tell if it is a barn, an apple, or a fire engine. Context is important, for as I showed you, your conclusion is not the teachings of Christ, it is you using God's word to serve your own agenda. Keep in mind that even Satan manipulated scripture to serve his agenda, not Gods when he tempted Christ in the desert.
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"Sorry Jesus, but I just didn't want to pay higher insurance rates" doesn't really seem convincing to me.
The teachings of Christ are clear to any who seek to serve God. Those who seek to serve themselves will use the word to serve their goals, not Gods.
Again, forced servitude is counter to Christs teachings, it is evil. Nothing is stopping all these people who claim they care, and claim that Christians are selfish, from donating to these causes. Hollywood has enormous amounts of money, many of its people go on about how we need to help, yet they make no effort. They like the in the parable of the Widows offering throw around pittances and proclaim they care, but make no real sacrifice. There are many Christians out there who give much of themselves in time, and money, even when they have nothing already, only to be told they must give more because another claims they care.
Those who care are busy doing, those who only make such claims are busy telling everyone how much they care.
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And we are all relatives as per the bible, although it seems a little unspecific there. Adam and Eve means that at some point we were all related.
Are you trying to understand, or are you forcing the word to fit your agenda, yet again?
See, you aren't being honest, you are just manipulating to serve your own ends and that... is evil.
America prefers excessive individualism and corporatism over practicality. Too much emotional attachment to freedom, when they're actually not as free as they think. So much brainwashing has been done to that country.
because its not the government job to be in the health insurance business.
besides why do we have medicaid if people supposedly "do not have access to" or can't afford health insurance?
Why do you left wingers hate having the states take care of this but only feel a federal government solution is the only answer???
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First off, I am not a christian. But a lot of folks are, and I dont understand how they can defend trump care.
How is it that given the above bolded, that the Christians who support Trump and Republicans do not go and demand Universal healthcare?
How can they be OK with millions losing their healthcare, and thousands dying. How can they be OK with our homeless problem?
America prefers excessive individualism and corporatism over practicality. Too much emotional attachment to freedom, when they're actually not as free as they think. So much brainwashing has been done to that country.
There is nothing practical about theft and redistribution for collectivist ideals. As I mentioned previously, such efforts always end up harming individuals, it is accepted though because it is rationalized as a worthy sacrifice to achieve the collectivist goals. Though this sacrifice is never made by those who govern and dictate such sacrifices.
America prefers excessive individualism and corporatism over practicality. Too much emotional attachment to freedom, when they're actually not as free as they think. So much brainwashing has been done to that country.
Too emotionally attached to freedom. Lol
That's pretty much what this country was founded on.
greywar; we can afford universal healthcare without not being able to take care of ourselve. Every developed country except us does.
I disagree, actually the debt we're in right now, we really can't afford it.
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And actually I am being honest about this. I've known some folks who truly believed in the bible, and took in the homeless, visited prisons, and cared for the sick. They are VERY rare, but if anything THEY are why as I say-I am agnostic, not a atheist really.
I am also agnostic...leaning more towards a belief in God, but not as most organized religions view God.
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Re-reading that section of Matthew truly does make me wonder. So far responses have mostly been complete nonsense. Yours has a bit of honesty, but it kind of fails the sniff test for me. It would not begger us to provide universal healthcare like every other developed nation in the world.
I believe, that is what National Health Care is leading to, but sometimes I ponder, is it really the right thing to do, or was it mostly b/c then Corporations wouldn't have to supply health care for their employees in the future. Is that why they're inventing it, to put more money in the pockets of Corporations?
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And we are all relatives as per the bible, although it seems a little unspecific there. Adam and Eve means that at some point we were all related.
Nothing to do with what I have said, or the question asked. Mostly a reference that I am going to hell. Given this:
He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ I expect company if god exists. A whole lot of company.
Apply that verse to abortion and tell me what it means.
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