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Oh please. Former congressman Joe Walsh said aloud what many in the GOP think but are scared to say themselves.
"Sorry Jimmy Kimmel: your sad story doesn't obligate me or anybody else to pay for somebody else's health care."
Throw in the Jason Chaffetz quote and you get a bigger picture.
There have been a few people on this board who have said they don't care who dies because they can't afford to see a doctor. While I think they are vile, I do have to at least give them credit for being honest.
I'll be honest, too.
I don't care if it's redistribution of wealth, and I don't care if paying for it means that the richest of the rich don't get to keep every last penny of their money. Lives matter more.
OP is a lefty sock puppet. Let's talk intelligently about the proposed Republican bill, which, by the way, has not taken anything from anybody and is being re-written entirely in the Senate to address concerns.
This would be cool if we could. First I've made this same point before. The GOP up to this point haven't actually changed a thing. No one has lost anything. I don't expect them to do the right thing but right now we are still in the status quo.
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The Republican bill attempts to address the exploding costs of Obamacare by shifting the cost of pre-exisiting conditions to the tax payers in general.
This isn't why the costs continue to rise. We have been paying one way or the other for people with pre-existing conditions forever.
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THIS IS NECESSARY AND GOOD because the Obamacare plan of getting healthy young people of the rolls failed, leading to exploding medical costs. What has been done to my healthcare and the healthcare of millions of Americans by Barrack Obama is in and of itself immoral. OP needs to process that before he/she can say anything intelligent about the matter.
Obamacare was/is a failure.....either by design or hubris it was a very poor attempt.
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Now, there are concerns from both Democrats and Senate Republicans. What the bill will actually do is to allow states waivers on Obamacare rules. Many people with preexisting conditions won't be affected at all depending on the states they live in, BUT THOSE THAT ARE AFFECTED WILL GET A "TAX CREDIT," WHICH IS ACTUALLY A SUBSIDY, which will help them pay for the increased cost of care.
You can't simply subsidize ongoing medical treatments of this magnitude. Someone making $22,000 is going to get a $15,000 tax credit? Even at that a "tax credit" only covers the tax you paid which wasn't much and a tax credit and a subsidy is not the same thing.
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The ethical question which will be answered is: does it go far enough? Is there enough money in the kitty to offset the costs? THIS IS A PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE THING TO ASK. Again, members of both parties are asking it. If OP was paying any attention to anything other than the Huffington Post and MSNBC, he/she would know that the House bill is DOA in the Senate, and that Senate Republicans such as Susan Collins are openly taking the lead in writing a bill that gives a better deal for those with prexisting conditions.
The problem is NOT just pre-existing conditions.
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The great irony is that by moving the burden of pre-existing conditions to tax payers, the Republicans are actually moving it closer to being the governement-run system that the Democrats want. Most Dems are just to dumb to realize it.
The Dems screwed this up. The Republicans might be able to fix it somewhat, although it looks like a long shot. If Trump is really sly here, there is actually room for this to be a bi-partisan solution this time. NOBODY is talking about the drivel that OP is rambling on about.
It's stupid to fix this somewhat. I simply do not understand why the argument is that we can't be paying to help out the sick but when I ask how much more in taxes you are willing to pay to fund the wars, all I get is drivel.
There have been a few people on this board who have said they don't care who dies because they can't afford to see a doctor. While I think they are vile, I do have to at least give them credit for being honest.
I'll be honest, too.
I don't care if it's redistribution of wealth, and I don't care if paying for it means that the richest of the rich don't get to keep every last penny of their money. Lives matter more.
This can't be funded only by the "richest of the rich".
The GOP likes to call itself "prolife." It advertises itself as being the guardian of not only "family values," but "Christian" ones, as well. If anyone actually believed these claims in the past only a delusional fringe can possibly believe them now.
How is it pro life to take away healthcare outright from some 24 million Americans and to ensure that many if not most Americans with pre-existing conditions will pay an outrageous sum if they want to ensure their continued medical care? Many of those with pre-existing conditions will be priced completely out of any healthcare whatsoever. The Republicans celebrated the coming deaths of children, the elderly, and the disabled with rounds of beer and laughter. They are outraged that an 8 week-old fetus might be deprived of life but indifferent to the death of an 8 year-old child with leukemia whose parents can't afford the expensive rounds of chemotherapy and/or radiation therapy that would have saved her life. Their pro life stance melts away like congealed grease in a hot skillet when they are confronted by the plight of a low income disabled American who requires regular dialysis in order to survive and God help the little old lady who could have added 20 years to her life with the right medical care. The prospect of their passing is an occasion for celebration, not sorrow and certainly not remorse. Once the republican led house voted to decimate America's health care system and indulged in an orgy of unseemly joy at the egregious laws they had passed, they lost all integrity and all credibility.
I've been following the several different threads which have cropped up here about "evil" Somali refugees bearing full responsibility for a measles epidemic which - with only one or two exceptions - has impacted solely a single small Somali community. The concern expressed by some posters is ludicrous. You have consigned 24 million Americans to prolonged suffering and the eventual death of many by taking away their access to medical care and that includes preventive medicine such as vaccines. You don't want even Americans to have access to innoculations against deadly diseases and then you pour venom on 34 Somalis who didn't get vaccinated.
Yours is a logic of exclusion, xenophobia, and racism run rampant. You protest Planned Parenthood because you are paragons of pro life, Christian values and you can't wait to sign up for a place on a death panel because you want to make America "great" again. And never once do you hear the sound of the dissonance you have created roaring in your ears.
Who has taken away health care for 24 million Americans? Who is telling you this? That "fact" comes from ...where? Oh, the Democrats, of course. And we all believe the Democrats ...of course.
Why do Democrats confuse Christianity with politics (especially confuse Christianity with socialism)?
Another post totally lacking in facts that is purely propaganda.
In the six years before Obamacare was enacted life expectancy went up by 1.35 years. In the six years after it went up 0.45 years. People are living an average of about 1 year less thanks to Obamacare.
Who has taken away health care for 24 million Americans? Who is telling you this? That "fact" comes from ...where? Oh, the Democrats, of course. And we all believe the Democrats ...of course.
Why do Democrats confuse Christianity with politics (especially confuse Christianity with socialism)?
Another post totally lacking in facts that is purely propaganda.
So you agree that this is not a Christian nation? We can dispense with that idea?
He also ignores that we can compare states that did expand medicaid, with those that didn't. And that lifespan is a more complex topic.
Ohhhhh lifespan is more complex ....I see. We cannot say that lifespan, which has been ever increasing ...that is until Obamacare came along ...is a function of the quality of health care that is available. It's "more complex" than that. I get it.
OP is a lefty sock puppet. Let's talk intelligently about the proposed Republican bill, which, by the way, has not taken anything from anybody and is being re-written entirely in the Senate to address concerns.
The Republican bill attempts to address the exploding costs of Obamacare by shifting the cost of pre-exisiting conditions to the tax payers in general. THIS IS NECESSARY AND GOOD because the Obamacare plan of getting healthy young people of the rolls failed, leading to exploding medical costs. What has been done to my healthcare and the healthcare of millions of Americans by Barrack Obama is in and of itself immoral. OP needs to process that before he/she can say anything intelligent about the matter.
Now, there are concerns from both Democrats and Senate Republicans. What the bill will actually do is to allow states waivers on Obamacare rules. Many people with preexisting conditions won't be affected at all depending on the states they live in, BUT THOSE THAT ARE AFFECTED WILL GET A "TAX CREDIT," WHICH IS ACTUALLY A SUBSIDY, which will help them pay for the increased cost of care.
The ethical question which will be answered is: does it go far enough? Is there enough money in the kitty to offset the costs? THIS IS A PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE THING TO ASK. Again, members of both parties are asking it. If OP was paying any attention to anything other than the Huffington Post and MSNBC, he/she would know that the House bill is DOA in the Senate, and that Senate Republicans such as Susan Collins are openly taking the lead in writing a bill that gives a better deal for those with prexisting conditions.
The great irony is that by moving the burden of pre-existing conditions to tax payers, the Republicans are actually moving it closer to being the governement-run system that the Democrats want. Most Dems are just to dumb to realize it.
The Dems screwed this up. The Republicans might be able to fix it somewhat, although it looks like a long shot. If Trump is really sly here, there is actually room for this to be a bi-partisan solution this time. NOBODY is talking about the drivel that OP is rambling on about.
There is no intelligence on the Left. It's a waste of time to even attempt to reason with idiots.
Ohhhhh lifespan is more complex ....I see. We cannot say that lifespan, which has been ever increasing ...that is until Obamacare came along ...is a function of the quality of health care that is available. It's "more complex" than that. I get it.
Who has taken away health care for 24 million Americans? Who is telling you this? That "fact" comes from ...where? Oh, the Democrats, of course. And we all believe the Democrats ...of course.
Why do Democrats confuse Christianity with politics (especially confuse Christianity with socialism)?
Another post totally lacking in facts that is purely propaganda.
I have heard certain pastors say, literally, that a Christian cannot be a Democrat.
Do you think they are confused?
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