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Old 05-12-2017, 02:11 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The question is. Will society except hospitals/etc. refusing healthcare two people that most likely can't afford Insurance?......And most likely he can't afford to pay For the services provided by the hospital?

If society is OK with that, then the path is clear to stop "freeloaders" and/or Poor people from receiving services at the hospital.

If society is not OK with this. Then Society need to come up with a real solid plan on how they're going to tackle this issue. Which is going to be hard and most likely expensive for everyone.
I suggested implementing a 25% national VAT tax, like many European/Scandinavian countries have. Naturally, the "Gimme, Gimme, Gimme Dat!" contingency wants NO part of having to pay their fair share.

 
Old 05-12-2017, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I don't blame illegals, junkies, and freeloaders.

The entire system is a mess and everyone is a part of the problem. Hospitals buy from medical supply companies who charge 200x more for a bandaid than what CVS charges, so hospitals push those charges to the patient. Patients sue for the most ridiculous reasons sometimes, which then makes a doctor's malpractice insurance skyrocket. Then the doctor has to increase charges to make up for the increased business expense. Insurance companies have "deals" worked out with certain hospitals and doctors.

And this is only a small portion of the problems. It's one big racket. WAY worse than car dealers and salesmen!

I say let's do away with the majority of the health insurance industry and increase the income tax, then provide everyone with health coverage. The government can set the prices. Hospital says: We want $5000 for an MRI, Uncle Sam says: Sorry, you'll get half that amount.

The capitalistic for-profit healthcare industry is broken and there isn't much we can do to fix it.
 
Old 05-12-2017, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Once health care is non-profit, the costs will drop steeply.

It will be a long time before that will come about, because our entire health care industry is highly profit-based, but it will happen in time. Every developed nation in the word is already there or heading in that direction.

It won't harm the practicing professionals in the industry any- they will still be very well paid, but it will free them from the burdens of being a businessman and allow them to do what the want the most- practice medicine. It won't hurt the insurance industry either, as their investors will be cashed out before the change is in effect.

What it will do is make advanced medicine more available in all the remote corners of the heartland and to the areas that are chronically in financial distress.

After 7 years, too many Americans now see health care as just as much a right as voting or equality of opportunity to all. It will take a long time for the system to change, but it will, no matter how difficult the transition is. Universal health care is far too important to keeping America where it is in the world now to ever go back to the way it once was before the ACA.

As it stands right now, for every 4 jobs that are lost in manufacturing, 6 new jobs are created in medicine. Expect to see increasingly more men become nurses, med assistants, caretakers, and other jobs that are now almost completely filled by women. These jobs will all pay as much or more than the manufacturing jobs that evaporated.

And with the baby boomer generation now aging, those new jobs will be permanent for decades to come. The boomers are still the largest age group in the nation by far.
 
Old 05-14-2017, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Houston
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If you are sick or injured, you have to use the Emergency Room. Who can wait to make and appointment with their primary doctor????
Yes but people are using the ER for non emergency care because they have no other choice due to the expensive nature of healthcare in this country. They don't have primary doctors because of the cost. They know that emergency rooms can't turn them away so they use them as their primary source of healthcare.

That is the result of the systemic failure of the US healthcare system to provide needed medical services to those who are not wealthy. If we were to have a publicly funded system that EVERYONE could use there would be no need for ER visits outside a true emergency. Every other developed nation in the world has that but the US, relegating us to third world status in that regard.

The GOP is fighting an increasingly losing battle to deprive the citizens of this country basic healthcare. They are the enemy of the people, not the press as Trump and his lackeys would have you believe.
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