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Old 05-14-2017, 09:02 AM
 
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The idea that the FBI should be covering for the president is ignorant. That may be how things work in Russia, but not the way things are supposed to work here in U.S.

Hard to believe anyone posting this nonsense is an American citizen.
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Old 05-14-2017, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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So the attorney general recommended firing the FBI director, which the President did. This was summer of 1993 and Janet Reno, the attorney general, recommended firing Sessions, who was promptly fired. ( after this, Reno was busy approving the raid on a Waco compound).

Surprisingly, the department of justice and FBI have been and still are under the Executive Branch of governmwent and serve under the President. Congress, which has both the Senate and House run by Republics who control the Legislative branch of government.

Point is that Congress, even a Republican congress that was won by more Republicans voted in than Democrats, merely approves nominations. Congress doesn't canvas for new nominees, they don't nominate; they simply vote to approve nominees. Clearly explained in this helpful link:

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/...-fbis-director

Why do democrats not understand that the Executive branch works under the current ( yes, current) President of the United States?
Why do Republicans not understand that one division of the Executive Branch should not be investigating another division of the Executive Branch?

Thanks--you've made the case for an Independent Special Counsel to investigate the Trump campaign and Russia!
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Old 05-14-2017, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Perhaps, if you read this article with an open mind, not clouded by the irrational crying foul on the part of the left wing Trump haters, or a knee jerk rejection because you don't like the source, you will see that any ongoing investigation will not be affected by Comey's firing.

And while they're at it, any investigation of Russian influence or ties to US interests ought not to be limited to Trump or his associates, but also include Hillary and Bill's activities, Russian ties to the Clinton Foundation. And how about conversations or encounters by any members of Congress, GOP and DEM, and maybe members of the previous Administration (including Obama) with Russian ambassadors/politicians?

Calls for Special Prosecutor Driven by Politics, Not Law - Breitbart

Breitbart? Seriously? Talk about fake media. So you think foreign intelligence from our allies means nothing? Would you rather see the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth or would you rather sweep it all under the carpet because you simply don't care about the truth? Are you seriously recommending putting one man ahead of country? Where do moderates, republicans, patriots, our allies and non political people fit into your rational? There are many more then left wing haters that want to get to the bottom of this. The funny thing is that Trump could clear this whole thing up. What he's doing instead looks like a full fledged cover up. We won't talk about that though. It simply requires logical thinking. That doesn't fit into the ideology. Trump is the only one that can fix this country. More like the corrupt leading the blind. It's time for fanatical Trump supporters to be Americans first.
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Old 05-14-2017, 06:20 PM
 
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The ongoing investigation (phony as it is) is not an investigation of the Executive Branch. It is not an investigation of Donald Trump either. It was an investigation begun to see if there was any interference of the Russians in our election and if any in the Trump campaign were colluding with Russian operatives, charges made by Hillary Clinton (who has more ties to Russia than anyone), and the investigation was ordered by then President Obama (obviously trying to help Hillary). That is the scandal here. The investigation was begun in an effort to derail the Trump campaign, and it continues today to attempt to destroy his Presidency. That is their goal. But, to date, there has been not one shred of evidence found. The investigation should be ended. It's a waste of taxpayer money and a waste of time.
Thanks for the detailed response. Anyway, how does it answer my simple question:
Why can a body that is part of the executive branch - (something democrats "forget"...) investigate its superiors? Isn't it a classic conflict of interests even without referring to any specific people? Aren't such investigations supposed to be led by an independent team? How can any FBI director investigate Trump and the administration if they can be fired the next day?
Second, you are convinced there was no collaboration between Trump and his team and the Russians. But how can you be so sure? Why not let an independent body (that doesn't report to Trump) investigate? Personally I have no idea about what happened between Trump and the Russians. Neither do you. But there is a TON of circumstantial evidence that many in his team were meeting with Russian personalities, while others had business interests in Russia. That however is still no proof of any wrong doing or of breaking the law, but needs to be investigated. If innocent, Trump himself should be interested in carrying this investigation more than the democrats. Just to clear his name. He has a similar attitude with his tax forms, which makes his opponents even more determined to investigate. The instant reaction is - "he must be hiding something". If Trump avoided interfering (or relating to the investigation) his opponents would also lose interest. But with his attitude, he pours oil on the fire every day.

As an aside: Hillary is not in the game anymore. There is no need to help her with anything.

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Old 05-14-2017, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Constitutional USA, zn.8A
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Why do democrats not understand that the Executive branch works under the current (yes, current) President of the United States?
Most likely dems, & much of the rest of the US-population do not understand,
because since the 60's they've been totally brainwashed in the public-school system.
That system has taught them feelings; not Facts, especially American History facts.
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Old 05-14-2017, 07:07 PM
 
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If you are going to fire an FBI director in the middle of an investigation there should be a valid and very recent reason. This is a first.
Would you feel this way if Hillary had won? Remember she and the Clinton Foundation were subjects of FBI investigations. Maxine Watters said Hillary should be able to, but not Trump, completely forgetting or not mentioning Hillary's investigations.
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Old 05-14-2017, 07:18 PM
 
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Yes it is part of the executive branch. That doesn't make it legal to obstruct their investigation. And no, the whole narrative that sessions (who recused himself from this supposedly), and the Asst AG recommended it falls flat when Trump says on national TV that he was going to fire Comey no matter what, and brings up the Russian investigation as a reason.

Its absolutely a special investigation time.
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Old 05-14-2017, 08:58 PM
 
Location: U.S.
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Why do Republicans not understand that one division of the Executive Branch should not be investigating another division of the Executive Branch?

Thanks--you've made the case for an Independent Special Counsel to investigate the Trump campaign and Russia!
Funny how you didn't mention special counsel when the IRS was committing felonies by investigating people just based on political beliefs.

Maybe that's where democrats came to appreciate the Russians' handy work on dispatching political free speech..
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Old 05-14-2017, 09:06 PM
 
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Funny how you didn't mention special counsel when the IRS was committing felonies by investigating people just based on political beliefs.

Maybe that's where democrats came to appreciate the Russians' handy work on dispatching political free speech..
thats because the investigation on that wasnt being hampered.
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Old 05-15-2017, 03:28 AM
 
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I find it hard to believe that Americans believe that the FBI should be covering for Trump.

Sessions is overseeing an investigation into something he was part of.

Despite recusing himself, he was involved in firing the FBI Director and hiring the next one.

Time for a special prosecutor.
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