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Really? You vouch for all womanhood because there is no accountability whatsoever. Are women supreme spiritual beings in your opinion? If money was for the child why women would fish garbage cans looking for used condoms of NBA players?
When they are still in the hospital there is no birth certificate *****. There is the hospital records and papers and parents usually have a certain amount of time after released from the hospital (usually around 10 days) to go to the vital statistics government office to actually register the kid and get the official government issued birth certificate. That is the birth certificate you need to eventually get a passport and other official documents. Parental Authority and Custody are two different legal concepts and you seem to be mixing it up all the time. I think a married dad will also have a real difficulties if he tries to leave the hospital alone with the baby without the mother’s consent. Remember the admitted patients at the hospital are mother and baby (for obvious biological reasons dad is not under the hospitals medical care) and they will only be released from hospital when the Doctor determines it is ok (remember there are often complications related to childbirth). The hospital is a medical institution with no authority to make custody or parental rights determinations.
Again you chose how you take things. I guess everyone speaks from their experiences and I don’t deny some people have a hard time but the law is there to remedy injustices. So unless you believe in anarchy or taking justice at your own hands as you see fit, legal proceedings are the only way to decide a controversy whether it is about custody, employment, tenant/landlord disputes or any other dispute.
You are exhausting to deal with. Once the birth certificate has been properly filed, and agreed to by both Mom and Dad, and assuming that there is no agreement between Mom and Dad on parenting time, can Dad then take his kid against Mom's will anywhere from anywhere without repercussion? Whether hospital, daycare, playground, Mom's apartment, or anywhere else?
What about Mom? Can she take child against Dad's will anywhere from anywhere without repercussion?
You are exhausting to deal with. Once the birth certificate has been properly filed, and agreed to by both Mom and Dad, and assuming that there is no agreement between Mom and Dad on parenting time, can Dad then take his kid against Mom's will anywhere from anywhere without repercussion? Whether hospital, daycare, playground, Mom's apartment, or anywhere else?
What about Mom? Can she take child against Dad's will anywhere from anywhere without repercussion?
If you are married or there is no court ordered custody (AKA no agreement) then it's not against the law for either mom or dad to take the child without the other's consent. I just googled it. It took a while to find though since everything about parental kidnapping seems to assume divorce, custody agreements, and the like. I found it here. https://www.masslegalhelp.org/domest...ent-take-child
I honestly don't see how this can happen though. If mom and dad trust each other enough that they don't feel the need to have an agreement and are good/fit enough parents that the court didn't impose an agreement (if they aren't married), why would one or the other suddenly go bonkers and take off with Jr? If anything, I would think there would be missing persons reports filed for both the child and the parent who took Jr. You'd think something bad happened to them.
If you are married or there is no court ordered custody (AKA no agreement) then it's not against the law for either mom or dad to take the child without the other's consent. I just googled it. It took a while to find though since everything about parental kidnapping seems to assume divorce, custody agreements, and the like. I found it here. https://www.masslegalhelp.org/domest...ent-take-child
I honestly don't see how this can happen though. If mom and dad trust each other enough that they don't feel the need to have an agreement and are good/fit enough parents that the court didn't impose an agreement (if they aren't married), why would one or the other suddenly go bonkers and take off with Jr? If anything, I would think there would be missing persons reports filed for both the child and the parent who took Jr. You'd think something bad happened to them.
If Mom and Dad are unmarried, just to be clear. Please answer based on unmarried parents.
If Mom and Dad are unmarried, just to be clear. Please answer based on unmarried parents.
It covers unmarried people. But only if they are unmarried and never wrote a legal agreement for custody (no court order) and dad is the legal father (on the birth certificate).
But like I said, I think it would cause a stir. Think of it. You and your baby mama get along great, she lets you know when Jr. is born, you are there at the hospital, you file for the birth certificate together, you are so close with baby mama that you and she don't feel you need a formal custody arrangement even though you aren't married. Everything is peachy.
Then one day, out of the blue, for no reason she disappears and so does Jr. You are probably going to worry about them and go to the police, file a missing person report, etc. You'd probably think the worst happened to both of them. When they do find her and find out she just randomly took off, the courts are now involved and I would think you would now want a formal court ordered custody arrangement. And if mom didn't have a good reason for taking off, that's going to look really bad on her. She probably will need supervised custody for a while because she's a flight risk.
I would think it would be in both parent's and the child's best interest to have some kind of agreement and I think most do--even the ones who get along just fine. It's like any other contract, most likely the other person won't be a jerk, but that piece of paper helps you make your case if they do. And then, if mom takes off with the child without your consent, you have a legal leg to stand on too (and she is officially criminal too). Plus, what important thing in life do you do without a contract? Everything important has a contract or legal papers: marriage, buying a house, when you die your will, even adopting a dog from a shelter. So why not have a contract when your children are involved?
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It covers unmarried people. But only if they are unmarried and never wrote a legal agreement for custody (no court order).
But like I said, I think it would cause a stir. Think of it. You and your baby mama get along great, she lets you know when Jr. is born, you are there at the hospital, you file for the birth certificate together, you are so close with baby mama that you and she don't feel you need a formal custody arrangement even though you aren't married. Everything is peachy.
Then one day, out of the blue, for no reason she disappears and so does Jr. You are probably going to worry about them and go to the police, file a missing person report, etc. You'd probably think the worst happened to both of them. When they do find her and find out she just randomly took off, the courts are now involved and I would think you would now want a formal court ordered custody arrangement. And if mom didn't have a good reason for taking off, that's going to look really bad on her. She probably will need supervised custody for a while because she's a flight risk.
I would think it would be in both parent's and the child's best interest to have some kind of agreement and I think most do--even the ones who get along just fine. It's like any other contract, most likely the other person won't be a jerk, but that piece of paper helps you make your case if they do. And then, if mom takes off with the child without your consent, you have a legal leg to stand on too (and she is officially criminal too).
No it absolutely 100% does NOT 'cover' unmarried Dads.
“An unmarried female who gives birth to a child is the sole residential parent and legal custodian of the child until a court of competent jurisdiction issues an order designating another person as the residential parent and legal custodian. A court designating the residential parent and legal custodian of a child described in this section shall treat the Mother and Father as standing upon an equality when making the designation.” (Ohio Revised Code 3109.042)
You have legal custody of your child without having to go to court. That means you have all the rights of a parent:
the right to decide who sees the child and for how long;
the right to restrict visitation;
the right to enroll the child in school;
the right to obtain medical treatment;
the right to get public benefits for the child; and
the right to do anything else a parent with legal custody can do.
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later in the link:
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A paternity order has no effect on an unmarried mother’s custody of the child. Fathers must seek an order in court to obtain a visitation or change custody.
Maybe I misread that, but I think it's saying the mother has sole custody until the father can be determined. In your original scenario, you said dad was determined and on the birth certificate. Then they are equal. Then again, I am not a lawyer, so I may be wrong on that.
You bring up some good things to think about. Father's rights are pretty much in their infancy (maybe adolescences). But I think the only way you are really going to see change for more even parental rights for fathers is if more liberals are elected and the country swings to the left.
This kind of double standard for men (and for women in other aspects of society) pretty much is the definition of conservative family values and the US is pretty much a conservative country/leans right overall. It's in more socialist countries where you see more liberal laws concerning father's rights (places like Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc).
I really don't think the US is headed that far left any time soon.
Maybe I misread that, but I think it's saying the mother has sole custody until the father can be determined. In your original scenario, you said dad was determined and on the birth certificate. Then they are equal. Then again, I am not a lawyer, so I may be wrong on that.
You bring up some good things to think about. Father's rights are pretty much in their infancy (maybe adolescences). But I think the only way you are really going to see change for more even parental rights for fathers is if more liberals are elected and the country swings to the left.
This kind of double standard for men (and for women in other aspects of society) pretty much is the definition of conservative family values and the US is pretty much a conservative country/leans right overall. It's in more socialist countries where you see more liberal laws concerning father's rights (places like Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc).
I really don't think the US is headed that far left any time soon.
No, the Mother has sole custody even after the father is determined. From the link:
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A paternity order has no effect on an unmarried mother’s custody of the child. Fathers must seek an order in court to obtain a visitation or change custody.
If financial support for the child is so important, why isn't unmarred Mom required to financially support her own kid?
I was thinking about this from another post and the only solution I can come up with would be for unmarried parents (divorced or never been married) who can't agree on how child support will work to have a court appointed lawyer to act as the child's financial custodian. Then mom and dad pay the lawyer and the lawyer reimburses either parent for receipts they show for items bought for the child and allowance for things like room and board, utilities, etc. You could even have periodic price increases for support if things cost more.
If someone doesn't pay, it goes to collections like any other unpaid bill.
That would make things so both parents pay, but it would most likely be more expensive because Mom and dad would have to pay legal fees for the lawyer. It would also mean a little more government involvement in people's personal lives, but it would enforce fairness. Of course, parents could avoid all this by simply writing their own mediated agreement.
I haven't seen any other solutions proposed.
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