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Old 05-14-2017, 09:48 AM
 
Location: At mah house
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I keep hearing people say that Trump was stupid for firing James Comey the way he did since it makes him look guilty. Or, if they already think he's guilty, his firing of Comey is just proof of a cover-up.

I'll leave both sides of that conversation aside for a second and ask something I don't see anybody putting forward: why aren't Democrats at all worried about the optics of the ongoing investigation of Russia's involvement in the 2016 election?

Suppose, for a second, that neither Trump nor his surrogates had anything to do with Russia meddling in the election. It's at least plausible given the fact that we have seen no evidence of it, all we have to go on is the consensus of the Intel community that it was even Russia to begin with, and even though she lost, Hillary Clinton managed to get nearly three million more votes than Trump, so the fact that she lost on points in states she didn't bother to campaign in might suggest poor campaigning rather than a successful effort by a foreign body to meddle in the election.

Democrats aren't worried that at the end of this they just look like sore losers who wanted to push this narrative and investigation in order to cast baseless doubt on Trump's legitimacy as President? If they find evidence of collusion, their suspicions were right. But what if the FBI doesn't find any evidence of it? Doesn't this then just become another version of 9/11-was-an-inside-job or Obama-was-born-in-Kenya?

I don't think anybody is going to forget that Trump was asked multiple times whether he would "accept" the outcome of the Republican primary (even when he was out-polling everyone) and the general election (even though he wound up winning it), while Hillary never had to field that question. Chris Wallace famously asked Trump this in the 3rd debate, but then admitted he probably should've asked Hillary the same thing. When Trump gave a cautious answer that he would wait and see, there was a lot of kvetching that it was going to cause all sorts of problems for the legitimacy of the election. But now that we have a seemingly workable theory why Hillary lost, accepting unfortunate outcomes doesn't seem to be much of a priority...

What will be the fallout for Democrats if it turns out their suspicions about Trump are unfounded? They will have spent all this time with their arms folded not legislating because they don't accept Trump as President. Is that going to win them seats or the Presidency?
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Old 05-14-2017, 09:50 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Democrats have invented a new level of insanity, in the land the created Freedom & Liberty.
Buying the entire catalog of crazy.
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Old 05-14-2017, 09:51 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I keep hearing people say that Trump was stupid for firing James Comey the way he did since it makes him look guilty. Or, if they already think he's guilty, his firing of Comey is just proof of a cover-up.

I'll leave both sides of that conversation aside for a second and ask something I don't see anybody putting forward: why aren't Democrats at all worried about the optics of the ongoing investigation of Russia's involvement in the 2016 election?

Suppose, for a second, that neither Trump nor his surrogates had anything to do with Russia meddling in the election. It's at least plausible given the fact that we have seen no evidence of it, all we have to go on is the consensus of the Intel community that it was even Russia to begin with, and even though she lost, Hillary Clinton managed to get nearly three million more votes than Trump, so the fact that she lost on points in states she didn't bother to campaign in might suggest poor campaigning rather than a successful effort by a foreign body to meddle in the election.

Democrats aren't worried that at the end of this they just look like sore losers who wanted to push this narrative and investigation in order to cast baseless doubt on Trump's legitimacy as President? If they find evidence of collusion, their suspicions were right. But what if the FBI doesn't find any evidence of it? Doesn't this then just become another version of 9/11-was-an-inside-job or Obama-was-born-in-Kenya?

I don't think anybody is going to forget that Trump was asked multiple times whether he would "accept" the outcome of the Republican primary (even when he was out-polling everyone) and the general election (even though he wound up winning it), while Hillary never had to field that question. Chris Wallace famously asked Trump this in the 3rd debate, but then admitted he probably should've asked Hillary the same thing. When Trump gave a cautious answer that he would wait and see, there was a lot of kvetching that it was going to cause all sorts of problems for the legitimacy of the election. But now that we have a seemingly workable theory why Hillary lost, accepting unfortunate outcomes doesn't seem to be much of a priority...

What will be the fallout for Democrats if it turns out their suspicions about Trump are unfounded? They will have spent all this time with their arms folded not legislating because they don't accept Trump as President. Is that going to win them seats or the Presidency?
Like Trump, trumpsters believe everything is about Trump. NO ONE is saying Trump had anything to do with it. Do we still need to get to the bottom of it? You bet.

I see it didn't hurt Republicans when absolutely NOTHING came out of the (11?) benghazi investigations.

So, nope, not worried.
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Old 05-14-2017, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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It is a Republican government. Any bad outcomes are the fault of the Republicans.

The Democrats have virtually no risk of loss. There is sufficient evidence already that the Russians were aiding Trump. Does not say Trump had any role. But in no way indicts the Democrats.
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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It is a Republican government. Any bad outcomes are the fault of the Republicans.

The Democrats have virtually no risk of loss. There is sufficient evidence already that the Russians were aiding Trump. Does not say Trump had any role. But in no way indicts the Democrats.
really? because even the left wing media in this country are constantly reporting there is NO evidence of that happening, as well as no evidence that trump or ANYONE in his administration, campaign team, and transition team colluded with russia on anything.

this investigation has been going on ever since trump was nominated as the republican candidate at the convention in july 2016. with the watergate investigation, to which many compare this investigation, the investigators had found mounds of evidence indicating that there are many in the nixon administration involved with the break in, either in planning it, or executing it, or covering it up, including the president himself. but there is no evidence of any collusion this time around.

will the democrats be affected, perhaps not, in fact they will probably spin it when they go for reelection as to them being the white knight in shinning armor protecting their constituents against the evil trump administration.
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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Democrats: the party of YOLO
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It is a Republican government. Any bad outcomes are the fault of the Republicans.

The Democrats have virtually no risk of loss. There is sufficient evidence already that the Russians were aiding Trump. Does not say Trump had any role. But in no way indicts the Democrats.

No one in the Trump circles or campaign, is under criminal investigation. NO ONE!

Now, Clinton and Obama circles and campaign.... That may be why all the Trump/Russia talk, because we know someone on the Democrat side DID break the law and committed a federal crime.
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Old 05-14-2017, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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No one in the Trump circles or campaign, is under criminal investigation. NO ONE!

Now, Clinton and Obama circles and campaign.... That may be why all the Trump/Russia talk, because we know someone on the Democrat side DID break the law and committed a federal crime.
Dream on BentBow. There clearly is an ivestigation of Flynn and friends and it is criminal.

There is strong evidence that the Podesta breach was Russian and bent on aiding Trump.

You get your own opinions but we share the facts.
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Old 05-14-2017, 12:02 PM
 
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Now we see why Trump supporters are so anxious to get pot legalized. They are tired of being buzzed illegally.
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Old 05-14-2017, 12:04 PM
 
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Dream on BentBow. There clearly is an ivestigation of Flynn and friends and it is criminal.

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Like Hillary, Flynn holds no public office, nor is he in the administration.
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