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Old 05-15-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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Who is going to choose to work for free? You go ahead and make it voluntary, you will see a crash of the HC system like you never saw before then NOBODY will get it.
You think it couldn't support itself? As it largely does today? Feel free to explain why you think so. Keep in mind the many other working examples throughout the world.

Also remember that a universal healthcare system doesn't mean that there might not be specialty healthcare services/practices not fully supported in the base system (so if a doctor is driven to be a plastic surgeon, that profession would still likely exist, outside of the UHC system).

 
Old 05-15-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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If you believe the government has the right to secure the nation's borders, then you MUST believe you are entitled to the labor of another person. That's called SLAVERY.
Nope, not even close. You are so far off base it's hilarious, but you thought you hit a home run. lmao.
 
Old 05-15-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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Free? What on Earth are you talking about.
What rights do we pay for? Name one. If you have to pay for it, it's not a right, it's a privilege.
 
Old 05-15-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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What rights do we pay for? Name one. If you have to pay for it, it's not a right, it's a privilege.
I wasn't even arguing that point. I was arguing against your insane (and incorrect) definition of slavery.

Although, if you want to go down this road: we currently have a right to education...which is not free...so...
 
Old 05-15-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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You think it couldn't support itself? As it largely does today? Feel free to explain why you think so. Keep in mind the many other working examples throughout the world.

Also remember that a universal healthcare system doesn't mean that there might not be specialty healthcare services/practices not fully supported in the base system (so if a doctor is driven to be a plastic surgeon, that profession would still likely exist, outside of the UHC system).
Whatever you're yapping about is irrelevant. You don't pay for rights.
 
Old 05-15-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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New Miss America 2017, Kara McCullough (Miss D.C.) said during the interview question that healthcare is a privilege and not a right.




Do you agree?

do you have a right to go see a doctor.....sure you do

you also have a right( or requirement) to pay that doctor for the service rendered

health insurance(either private or government) is not care.... insurance is never about care...its about risk management and paying over time for someone else to pay your bill
 
Old 05-15-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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I wasn't even arguing that point. I was arguing against your insane (and incorrect) definition of slavery.
Your the incorrect one. If you deem something a right that means you AUTOMATICALLY get it. How do you automatically get something that has to be paid for or a service that has to be performed? In that scenario someone would have to do it for free since it's a right, and NO you don't have the right to others labor nor their money.
 
Old 05-15-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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Nope, not even close. You are so far off base it's hilarious, but you thought you hit a home run. lmao.
You could always try making an argument. What makes safe-borders-as-a-right fundamentally different from healthcare-as-a-right?

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If you deem something a right that means you AUTOMATICALLY get it. How do you automatically get something that has to be paid for or a service that has to be performed? In that scenario someone would have to do it for free since it's a right, and NO you don't have the right to others labor nor their money.
Just saving this one in case you decide to have a go at it.
 
Old 05-15-2017, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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Who is going to choose to work for free? You go ahead and make it voluntary, you will see a crash of the HC system like you never saw before then NOBODY will get it.


No one said anything about someone working for free. For topic of discussion say it's Universal Healthcare, so citizens pay more for taxes and doctors get paid by the government. I think that would then fall under the government including healthcare as a human right. As it is now, I feel it's for the privileged who can afford it.
 
Old 05-15-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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Your the incorrect one. If you deem something a right that means you AUTOMATICALLY get it. How do you automatically get something that has to be paid for or a service that has to be performed? In that scenario someone would have to do it for free since it's a right, and NO you don't have the right to others labor nor their money.
As American citizens, we all have a right to education. Which is not free.

These things are obviously payed for via taxes which our government can levy for the general welfare of the US. So I have no idea why you keep going on about "free services"...these things are obviously paid for, and as a US citizen I have no issues paying for them.
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